Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha
| From: | Dennis Gilmore <dennis-AT-ausil.us> | |
| To: | announce-AT-lists.fedoraproject.org | |
| Subject: | Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha!! | |
| Date: | Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:00:56 -0600 | |
| Message-ID: | <201103080901.09790.dennis@ausil.us> | |
| Cc: | test-announce-AT-lists.fedoraproject.org, devel-announce-AT-lists.fedoraproject.org | |
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The Fedora 15 "Lovelock" Alpha release is available! This release offers a preview of some of the best free and open source technology currently under development. Catch a glimpse of the future: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease *** What is the Alpha release? *** The Alpha release contains all the beefy features of Fedora 15 in a form that anyone can help test. This testing, guided by the Fedora QA team, helps us target and identify bugs. When these bugs are fixed, we make a Beta release available. A Beta release is code-complete, and bears a very strong resemblance to the third and final release. The final release of Fedora 15 is due in May. We need your help to make Fedora 15 the best release yet, so please take a moment of your time to download and try out the Alpha and make sure the things that are important to you are working. If you find a bug, please report it -- every bug you uncover is a chance to improve the experience for millions of Fedora users worldwide. Together, we can make Fedora a rock-solid distribution. (Read down to the end of the announcement for more information on how to help.) *** Features *** This release of Fedora includes a variety of features both over and under the hood that show off the power and flexibility of the advancing state of free software. Examples include: * Updated Desktop Environments. Fedora 15 will ship with GNOME 3, the next major version of the GNOME desktop. If you're interested in other experiences, KDE and Xfce will also be showcasing the latest and greatest in desktop technology from their respective projects. * System and session management. Previously available as a technology preview in F14, systemd makes its full-fledged debut in Fedora 15. systemd is a smarter, more efficient way of starting up and managing the background daemons relied on by services we all use every day - such as NetworkManager and PulseAudio. * Cloud. Looking to create appliances for use in the Cloud? BoxGrinder creates appliances (virtual machines) for various platforms (KVM, Xen, EC2) from simple plain text appliance definition files for various virtual platforms. * Updated programming languages and tools. Fedora 15 features new versions of Rails, OCaml, and Python. GDB and GCC have also been updated. (Fedora 15 was built with GCC 4.6.0, too!) * Productivity Applications. LibreOffice is filled with tools for everyday use, including word processing, spreadsheet, and presentation applications. * Consistent Network Device Naming. Server management just got even easier. Fedora 15 uses BIOS-provided, non-arbitrarily given names for network ports, taking the burden off of system administrators. * Dynamic Firewall. Fedora 15 adds support for the optional firewall daemon, that provides a dynamic firewall management with a D-Bus interface. * eCryptfs in Authconfig. Fedora 15 brings in improved support for eCryptfs, a stacked cryptographic filesystem for Linux. Starting with Fedora 15, authconfig can be used to automatically mount a private encrypted part of the home directory when a user logs in. * DNSSEC for workstations. NetworkManager now uses the BIND nameserver as a DNSSEC resolver. All received DNS responses are proved to be correct. If particular domain is signed and failed to validate then resolver returns SERFVAIL instead of invalidated response, which means something is wrong. * Go Green. Power Management improvements include the PowerTOP tool, which identifies the software components that make your computer use more energy than necessary while idle. Automatic tuning of power consumption and performance helps conserve on laptop battery usage, too! * Business Management tools. Tryton is a three-tier high-level general purpose application platform, providing solutions for accounting, invoicing, sale management, purchase management, analytic accounting, and inventory management. * New Package Suite Groups. The Graphics suite group has been renamed to the Design group, and the Robotics SIG has created the Robotics Package Suite, a collection of software that provides an out-of-the-box usable robotic simulation environment featuring a linear demo to introduce new users. These and many other improvements provide a wide and solid base for future releases, further increasing the range of possibilities for developers and helping to maintain Fedora's position at the leading edge of free and open source technology. A more complete list and details of each new cited feature is available here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/15/FeatureList We have nightly composes of alternate spins available here: http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/ *** Issues and Details *** For more information including common and known bugs, tips on how to report bugs, and the official release schedule, please refer to the release notes: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Alpha_release_notes A shorter list of common bugs can be found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs *** Contributing *** Bug reports are helpful, especially for Alpha. If you encounter any issues please report them and help make this release of Fedora the best ever. Thank you, and we hope to see you in the Fedora project! -- announce mailing list announce@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/announce
Posted Mar 8, 2011 19:19 UTC (Tue)
by me@jasonclinton.com (subscriber, #52701)
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[1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=232605
Posted Mar 8, 2011 20:07 UTC (Tue)
by wondoman (guest, #72602)
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Systemd takes ages to boot and redirects meaningless application
Posted Mar 8, 2011 20:56 UTC (Tue)
by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
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Since GNOME 3 is primarily a new development/codebase, things haven't been "removed", they just haven't been added. :)
I like GNOME Shell well enough but I prefer KDE myself. I know there is going to be a considerable amount of backlash when GNOME 3 starts shipping in new distro releases (not just Fedora)... and yes, there will be a backlash against Ubuntu's alternative Unity as well. This will be similar to what happened with the switch to KDE 4. Some people will be unhappy with the changes and demand every feature they used in previous releases be present before they are happy... and that just isn't going to happen.
On the font problem, I haven't experienced that on any of the systems I've used and am guessing it is hardware related. I'd say search for an existing bug and pile on, or file a new bug.
Posted Mar 8, 2011 21:48 UTC (Tue)
by GhePeU (subscriber, #56133)
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No, they've been removed and there's no intention to add them back.
Posted Mar 8, 2011 21:56 UTC (Tue)
by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
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Posted Mar 8, 2011 23:36 UTC (Tue)
by nteon (subscriber, #53899)
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Posted Mar 8, 2011 23:43 UTC (Tue)
by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
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Posted Mar 9, 2011 3:42 UTC (Wed)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Right. GNOME Shell and System Settings are completely new codebases and the font configuration is added upstream but not in Fedora 15 yet since the codebase was frozen about two weeks ago. Updates will bring in more functionality. Some of the settings are not coming back however.
Posted Mar 8, 2011 22:57 UTC (Tue)
by ibukanov (subscriber, #3942)
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I second that. It is rather strange that Gnome-3 does not provide this basic feature yet. Nowadays with a wide range of screen sizes and resolutions there is no way that one default setting can work. For example, Gnome-3 fonts on my 11.9" laptop with 1366x768 resolution almost instantly caused too much eye strain especially with those tiny icon titles.
And where can I disable all window animation?
Posted Mar 8, 2011 23:40 UTC (Tue)
by dowdle (subscriber, #659)
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If you aren't hardware accelerated 3D capable, then it reverts to a quasi-GNOME 2.x interface. On the Fedora 15 Alpha release you can simulate a non-3D accelerated environment by picking "Boot (Basic Video)" at the boot screen (as witnessed in this review http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2011/03/preview-fedora-15-gn...). Don't expect the visual touches to be there in this mode though... as the window decorations and theme are very basic.
Posted Mar 9, 2011 0:33 UTC (Wed)
by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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Sounds like another instance of this gnomy paternalism, seen before when Linus had his temporary move to KDE episode.
Posted Mar 9, 2011 18:28 UTC (Wed)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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That only applies if GNOME forces you to use GNOME against your will. If that is the case, please contact the GNOME Foundation board and that is a pretty big no no. Saw also this quote when I tried to add a comment: The comments regarding GNOME on Lwn aren't really polite IMO.
Posted Mar 10, 2011 8:38 UTC (Thu)
by djao (guest, #4263)
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There is nothing impolite or disrespectful about pointing out that GNOME3 is unsuitable for my needs. Nor is there anything impolite or disrespectful about suggesting to the GNOME developers that they should pay attention to what users actually want. After all, if they lose all their users, the community loses too.
Posted Mar 10, 2011 15:14 UTC (Thu)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Maybe you want to lookup the definition of Paternalism (I had to do that): You said gnomy paternalism. If I then read above definition, I fail to
understand that at first you mention paternalism, which also includes forcing
people against their will. Then in a followup, you mention you're not forced? I presume maybe your understand or Paternalism or the one I found via Google
(2nd link) is not in sync with what it really means. To be 100% clear: No issues with suggestions that GNOME should listen to
users (think we try, but that is a different discussion :) ).
Posted Mar 10, 2011 15:18 UTC (Thu)
by ovitters (guest, #27950)
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Posted Mar 9, 2011 7:58 UTC (Wed)
by fsphil (guest, #44932)
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Posted Mar 9, 2011 23:56 UTC (Wed)
by bkoz (guest, #4027)
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Where can I add, remove, or change panels? Where can I add launchers to the existing panels?
Posted Mar 10, 2011 5:34 UTC (Thu)
by jmorris42 (guest, #2203)
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Amen. I can promise one thing. Mutter isn't coming anywhere my public lab machines, even as an option. I ain't answering the support questions.
And it isn't going on any machine I use. I just booted the F15 Alpha Live Disk and all I can say is NO. To switch virtual desktops I'm expected to mouse to the upper left corner then down to bottom middle? (Or use the keyboard shortcut, which I'd use instead.) And that insanity of the whole second screen with application icons is a non-starter. I hope the inability to get focus follow mouse is lack of space on the live disc but I have a terrible feeling that it is another victim of the GNOMEs getting the Steve Jobs disease of "However I happen to prefer a setting is the ONE way and you pitiful fools will do it my way until you realize I was right all along."
Looks Like I'll get one more version where I can probably force Compiz or metacity to work while I transition to XFCE.
Posted Mar 10, 2011 18:51 UTC (Thu)
by cry_regarder (subscriber, #50545)
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Posted Mar 8, 2011 22:06 UTC (Tue)
by fsphil (guest, #44932)
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Posted Mar 8, 2011 22:10 UTC (Tue)
by cesarb (subscriber, #6266)
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I am used to choosing the language and keyboard layout at the bottom of the GDM screen before logging in as "liveuser", but I did not see this option. Has it moved to somewhere else? I could not find a way of changing the keyboard layout after logging in, too.
Posted Mar 8, 2011 22:27 UTC (Tue)
by cesarb (subscriber, #6266)
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Posted Mar 10, 2011 7:22 UTC (Thu)
by sgros (guest, #36440)
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For the desktop paradigm, I think that something radical has to be done. It was invented when computers were slower, lot less capable, and people were lot less dependent on them. With so many virtual desktops, different and unrelated applications, documents, jobs being done in parallel, it becomes harder and harder to keep track of everything. After all, desktop paradigm was modeled after desktop, maybe it's time for computers to stop using classical desktop as a model and start using some invention of their own.
Posted Mar 10, 2011 9:05 UTC (Thu)
by djao (guest, #4263)
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There is absolutely no usability principle which says that alt+middleclick must do one thing, and alt+rightclick must do another thing. If I'm used to these buttons doing something different than the default configuration, then I will want to modify the configuration on my machine rather than changing my own habits. Indeed I find the suggestion that I should be forced to change my habits to accommodate software limitations to be somewhat condescending (it's 2011, why should there be software limitations?). I would never change my habits to accommodate the limitations in GNOME3, not in a million years -- I would rather switch to using another desktop environment which is more accommodating to my preferences (and it looks like this is what I'm going to have to do).
I can even understand it if the default configuration for these kinds of settings are hard to modify, since accidental modifications of desktop settings can confuse users. But to make them impossible to modify short of editing the source code is going way too far. This kind of restrictive denial of the capabilities of modern computers is the reverse of the kind of radical change that I am looking for.
So you can count me out as a GNOME3 user. As a longtime GNOME user, it saddens me somewhat to see GNOME evolving in this (imo) counterproductive direction. Many other users, like me, are also planning to "vote with their feet" when push comes to shove. Dismissing the userbase, as you seem to be doing, serves only to guarantee GNOME's demise into irrelevancy. After all, without users, there is no point in the software.
Maybe I am wrong, and maybe GNOME will (as you say) represent desirable radical change. But that will be up to the users to decide. I, as a user, vote no. It is with great reluctance that I choose not to use GNOME3, since GNOME has served me well until now. But the situation has deteriorated to the point where I cannot engage the GNOME developers in any meaningful way; any attempts to do so are met with the untenable suggestion that I change my own usage habits. Thus I have no choice but to take the drastic step of discontinuing usage of GNOME.
Posted Mar 11, 2011 8:27 UTC (Fri)
by sgros (guest, #36440)
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You have full right to say that you are unsatisfied, but what counts in the end is what the majority will say. What ever GNOME, or whoever, does, there will always be those that oppose the change...
For me, I want a change because it is harder and harder to keep with all those windows and desktops and tasks and files... and I'm going to try to use GNOME3 and then decide. Actually, I can hardly for F15 to come out...
Posted Mar 10, 2011 18:09 UTC (Thu)
by compte (guest, #60316)
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Posted Mar 11, 2011 4:03 UTC (Fri)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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"When Fedora 10 came with it's added desktop effects I disabled it"
Desktop effects was never enabled by default.
"What is the stand of Btrfs in F15? What happened to Grub 2?"
Both scheduled to be default for Fedora 16. If you use the regular DVD installer then Btrfs will be offered as one of options in Fedora 15. This is the case for the Alpha release.
Posted Mar 11, 2011 21:08 UTC (Fri)
by cesarb (subscriber, #6266)
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Posted Mar 17, 2011 8:18 UTC (Thu)
by MaartenM79 (guest, #73036)
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Posted Mar 17, 2011 14:51 UTC (Thu)
by yeti-dn (guest, #46560)
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Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha
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just to give Gnome 3 a try.
If this is supposed to be the future of the Linux Desktop
then there is no future.
Were can I change the font hinting? Where can I change
the Desktop fonts? Why was the "Appearance" option removed
from Control Center? The default fonts are unreadable.
messages to /dev/kmsg. Why?
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the Desktop fonts?
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Sounds like another instance of this gnomy paternalism
Please try to be polite, respectful, and informative, and to provide a useful subject line.
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Paternalism is the interference of a state or an individual with
another person, against their will, and defended or motivated by a claim that
the person interfered with will be better off or protected from harm.
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> then there is no future.
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Changing Live DVD language and keyboard layout?
Changing Live DVD language and keyboard layout?
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It seems to me that many people are bashing GNOME3 simply because they used to work in one way and they either don't want to or can't change that. I believe that any project that makes any visible (radical?) change will get the same feedback. The problem is also that only those that are unsatisfied say so.
And what exactly is wrong with wanting to keep what I'm used to?
For the desktop paradigm, I think that something radical has to be done.
I agree as well, but I drastically disagree with what radical changes need to be made. "Removal of customization options" is not on my list of desirable changes.
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And what exactly is wrong with wanting to keep what I'm used to?
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What is the stand of Btrfs in F15? What happened to Grub 2?
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