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This survey has 978 responses

What kind of subscription do you have?

0 0% (No answer)
878 89% Individual
100 10% Corporate/group

What part of the planet do you call home?

4 0% (No answer)
7 0% Africa
27 2% Asia
55 5% Australia/New Zealand/South Pacific
494 50% Europe
381 38% North America
11 1% South America

In the following section, we ask how you feel about various parts of the LWN site. The scale goes from one (never read it) to five (couldn't live without it). We will interpret scores of four and above as indicating that you consider the associated part of the site good enough to be worth getting a subscription for.

The main articles ("daily updates") page

37 3% (No answer)
37 3% 1 - Little or no value
77 7% 2
349 35% 3 - OK
338 34% 4
141 14% 5 - Couldn't live without it

The Weekly Edition as a whole

6 0% (No answer)
0 0% 1 - little or no value
2 0% 2
48 4% 3 - OK
389 39% 4
534 54% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly edition front page articles

8 0% (No answer)
0 0% 1 - little or no value
8 0% 2
132 13% 3 - OK
508 51% 4
323 32% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly security page lead articles

20 2% (No answer)
30 3% 1 - little or no value
70 7% 2
343 35% 3 - OK
385 39% 4
131 13% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Security page: new vulnerabilities

33 3% (No answer)
127 12% 1 - little or no value
230 23% 2
372 37% 3 - OK
155 15% 4
62 6% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Security page: updated vulnerabilities

36 3% (No answer)
195 19% 1 - little or no value
283 28% 2
342 34% 3 - OK
93 9% 4
30 3% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly kernel page

8 0% (No answer)
1 0% 1 - little or no value
14 1% 2
85 8% 3 - OK
324 33% 4
547 55% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Kernel page: patches and updates section

22 2% (No answer)
70 7% 1 - little or no value
156 15% 2
366 37% 3 - OK
246 25% 4
119 12% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Kernel page index

137 13% (No answer)
68 6% 1 - little or no value
102 10% 2
354 36% 3 - OK
214 21% 4
104 10% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly distributions page: lead articles

24 2% (No answer)
27 2% 1 - little or no value
107 10% 2
384 39% 3 - OK
358 36% 4
79 8% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Distributions page: distribution news

46 4% (No answer)
54 5% 1 - little or no value
170 17% 2
438 44% 3 - OK
235 24% 4
36 3% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Distributions page: updated packages

48 4% (No answer)
249 25% 1 - little or no value
291 29% 2
299 30% 3 - OK
83 8% 4
9 0% 5 - Couldn't live without it

The big distributions list

79 8% (No answer)
263 26% 1 - little or no value
247 25% 2
275 28% 3 - OK
94 9% 4
21 2% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly development page: lead articles

21 2% (No answer)
12 1% 1 - little or no value
42 4% 2
214 21% 3 - OK
493 50% 4
197 20% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Development page: rest of the page

46 4% (No answer)
50 5% 1 - little or no value
103 10% 2
376 38% 3 - OK
318 32% 4
86 8% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly Linux in the news page

33 3% (No answer)
159 16% 1 - little or no value
225 22% 2
375 38% 3 - OK
152 15% 4
35 3% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Weekly announcements page

43 4% (No answer)
186 18% 1 - little or no value
279 28% 2
363 37% 3 - OK
103 10% 4
5 0% 5 - Couldn't live without it

Events calendar

70 7% (No answer)
261 26% 1 - little or no value
271 27% 2
276 28% 3 - OK
90 9% 4
11 1% 5 - Couldn't live without it

The list of possible enhancements to LWN is long. Here are a few things from that list; for each, could you tell us what you think?

A wider variety of guest authors

38 3% (No answer)
5 0% 1 - Please don't do it
20 2% 2
464 47% 3 - Neutral
402 41% 4
50 5% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Comment filtering based on ratings

58 5% (No answer)
155 15% 1 - Please don't do it
183 18% 2
494 50% 3 - Neutral
70 7% 4
19 1% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Comment filtering with individual blacklists

65 6% (No answer)
83 8% 1 - Please don't do it
184 18% 2
555 56% 3 - Neutral
67 6% 4
25 2% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Expanded (original) embedded systems coverage

35 3% (No answer)
6 0% 1 - Please don't do it
84 8% 2
410 41% 3 - Neutral
352 35% 4
92 9% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Expanded Linux business coverage

42 4% (No answer)
38 3% 1 - Please don't do it
199 20% 2
476 48% 3 - Neutral
206 21% 4
18 1% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

User-level "howto" articles

31 3% (No answer)
96 9% 1 - Please don't do it
153 15% 2
290 29% 3 - Neutral
331 33% 4
78 7% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Systems administration "howto" articles

29 2% (No answer)
44 4% 1 - Please don't do it
90 9% 2
222 22% 3 - Neutral
464 47% 4
130 13% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Software development "howto" articles

27 2% (No answer)
29 2% 1 - Please don't do it
65 6% 2
196 20% 3 - Neutral
483 49% 4
179 18% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

More meeting, conference, and trade show coverage

38 3% (No answer)
21 2% 1 - Please don't do it
114 11% 2
431 44% 3 - Neutral
301 30% 4
74 7% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

An LWN podcast

58 5% (No answer)
170 17% 1 - Please don't do it
177 18% 2
422 43% 3 - Neutral
105 10% 4
47 4% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

Weekly edition in PDF format

47 4% (No answer)
139 14% 1 - Please don't do it
211 21% 2
406 41% 3 - Neutral
121 12% 4
55 5% 5 - Can I have it tomorrow?

How long should the subscriber-only period be?

161 16% (No answer)
11 1% Content should be free immediately
403 41% One week
334 34% Two weeks
58 5% Four weeks
12 1% Longer than four weeks

What else? There are questions we have certainly not thought to ask. If you have any ideas for how to improve LWN, please post them as comments on the responses screen.


to post comments

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 3:55 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link] (36 responses)

What do you mean by "Kernel page index"? I didn't understand that question.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 3:56 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (35 responses)

We mean this kernel page index.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:05 UTC (Thu) by proski (subscriber, #104) [Link] (11 responses)

Wow! There are several articles I'm going to read right away. How come I didn't know about it? I see it now. It's the "kernel" link on top. Too bad many sites put advertising banners there, so many seasoned web surfers have a blind spot right on top of the page.

Many kernel articles in the weekly kernel edition are quite interesting, but only if one has to deal with the topic in question. If I'm not dealing with block I/O right now, why should I read a long technical article about it? Yet the index will always have something relevant to the code I'm working on now.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:15 UTC (Thu) by midg3t (guest, #30998) [Link]

How come I didn't know about it? I see it now. It's the "kernel" link on top. Too bad many sites put advertising banners there, so many seasoned web surfers have a blind spot right on top of the page.

I didn't know the page existed either, but I always avoided reading the links at the top of the page because there's no efficient way to see them all. The 5x3 grid is space-efficient, but not reading-efficient. Perhaps those links could be put in the left sidebar rather than at the top.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:51 UTC (Thu) by aschwinm (guest, #33817) [Link]

I didn't know about this page also, it's very usefull as I see it now.

Best regards from the Netherlands,

Aschwin Marsman
www.marsman.org

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:15 UTC (Thu) by DG (subscriber, #16978) [Link]

ditto; i hadn't really noticed those links before (kernel/security/distributions). They need seperating out from e.g. Subscriptions, Advertise, Write for LWN, Contact us etc etc.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:26 UTC (Thu) by Felix.Braun (guest, #3032) [Link] (4 responses)

Usually I refrain from posting mere "me too" messages. But this one seems to be an indicator that one of LWN's valuable (and probably time-consuming) features has gone under-noticed...

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:32 UTC (Thu) by rakoenig (subscriber, #29855) [Link]

100% ACK.

I got also very much surpised seeing this jewel of information on my monitor.

This is some issue that urgently needs to be addressed.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:19 UTC (Thu) by mikov (guest, #33179) [Link]

Me too :-)

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 3, 2007 22:40 UTC (Sat) by nedrichards (subscriber, #23295) [Link] (1 responses)

This chorus of 'I didn't know this amazing thing existed' seems to suggest that some kind of Interaction Design/Information Architecture/Look and Feel refresh may be handy.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 4, 2007 4:14 UTC (Sun) by hugh (guest, #928) [Link]

I second the wow's and me-too's. I recently spent quite a while cursing the search enginge looking for one of Valerie Henson's KHB articles. I think that something needs to be done to make this valuable resource more visible.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:40 UTC (Thu) by goodgnews (guest, #31551) [Link] (2 responses)

Me too! I didnt know about this page either. I would suggest redoing the navigation and separate things into catagories with labels. To be honest, i've always ignored those top menu items cause i couldnt make and sense of them.

Example:

Search: [....Search box...]

Content
* Kernel
* Security
* Distros
* ...

Contact
* Subscriptions
* Advertise
* Write for US
* FAQ

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 2, 2007 1:54 UTC (Fri) by markcox (guest, #29577) [Link] (1 responses)

i have to add another 'me too', and suggest that you move the options to the bottom of the sidebar, and trim them down. e.g. 'contact us' and 'write for lwn' could be merged. 'home' could be removed because most ppl know that clicking the logo means home. etc.

i would also like to mention elsewhere in this thread the 'grumpy editor' page was discussed, i have to admit that i often skim these as sometimes the article may cover a topic i'm not interested in, and if the article goes for several weeks, i feel disappointed, i think the non-tech articles (like about email clients) should not span across issues.

the third thing i want to address is from an increasing no's of subscribers point of view, it isn't us (the subscribers) you should be asking, it is the non-subscribers, psychologically, if we subscribers think that this years lwn is not as good as last years, we will probably still re-subscribe, so i think it's short sighted to exclude non-subscribers (although, i think you should have a 'different' survey for them).

and, thanks for the good work, i always enjoy reading lwn.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 5, 2007 18:34 UTC (Mon) by amarjan (guest, #25108) [Link]

Even simply changing the background colour of the top navigation bar would be a great start. I've always thought that on LWN, navigation == salmon background. That dead grey background on the top just disappears into the page like a slot for a blocked banner ad; I never even noticed it!

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:54 UTC (Thu) by fyodor (guest, #3481) [Link] (17 responses)

Maybe you should could make it a link in the survey. I browsed to the kernel page in another tab when I saw that question, and was unable to find the "index". Of course the answer appears in front of me right after I click "submit" :).

It is too bad that there isn't a question on hardware or software review articles, particularly the "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those!

I agree with another poster that the subscription period question should say "subscriber-only period", as I wasn't sure what you were asking until I looked at the choices.

-Fyodor
Insecure.Org

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:55 UTC (Thu) by aschwinm (guest, #33817) [Link]

I also would have loved a link in the survey, I also wasn't sure what it was about.

Kind regards,

Aschwin Marsman

go, grumpy editor, go!

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:30 UTC (Thu) by nettings (subscriber, #429) [Link] (1 responses)

i'm with fyodor on this one - the grumpy editor series is a very interesting read. clearly pointing out usability issues, but always in touch with the realities of open source community development.

go, grumpy editor, go!

Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:24 UTC (Thu) by brwk (guest, #6849) [Link]

I'd have to say that it is the single area of LWN where I would point to it and say "This made a solid improvement to my Linux Desktop Experience". Finding a good package for a particular application is a very hit and miss process and the Grumpy Editor series makes a very positive contribution to that decision making process. I definitely think it should have a top-level link of it's own.

Regards, Bevis.

"Grumpy Editor"

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:06 UTC (Thu) by terber (subscriber, #3311) [Link] (2 responses)

> "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those!

Full ACK!

"Grumpy Editor"

Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:06 UTC (Thu) by mikeraz (guest, #155) [Link]

ACK .= double plus good.

The Grumpy Editor Guides deserved their own question so we could all rate them highly.

They certainly fit the "News You Can Use" niche.

They stand as an object lesson of how to review products.

"Grumpy Editor"

Posted Feb 2, 2007 9:58 UTC (Fri) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link]

++

And I love the humour in the articles!

Grumpy Editor

Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:48 UTC (Thu) by nicku (guest, #777) [Link] (1 responses)

It was an honour to shake the hand of the Grumpy Editor at the Linux Conference in Sydney in January. Those Grumpy Editor reviews are fun to read.

Grumpy Editor

Posted Feb 5, 2007 13:53 UTC (Mon) by telsa (guest, #280) [Link]

That comment combines two of my favourite things about LWN: the Grumpy Editor, and the coverage from conferences. I have tried to take notes from talks before, and I am utter awe of the OLS/LCA/etc coverage on LWN. It can be seriously aggravating when half the people on IRC or whose weblogs you read are burbling about some conference and no-one writes up a single talk for those who couldn't make it, so the summaries from conferences are a boon.

And everyone has said everything about the Grumpy Editor already. :)

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:19 UTC (Thu) by phip (guest, #1715) [Link] (7 responses)

> It is too bad that there isn't a question on hardware or software review
> articles, particularly the "Grumpy Editor" series. I really like those!

No need to include it in the survey; everybody already knows that it rates a 5! :-)

I would have rated the Kernel page index higher if I had known what it is.

Thanks again LWN crew for all the great work!

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:30 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (guest, #24899) [Link] (6 responses)

*sigh*

Sorry, but here goes another "me too" post :)

I also had some problems understanding some of the questions, that is, correlating what I read with what the LWN speak for each of the sections are :)

I also fully concur that the "Grumpy Editor" series is a 5++ section by its own, and there really ought to be a link to some sort of index of these.

Grumpy editor index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:33 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (5 responses)

I also fully concur that the "Grumpy Editor" series is a 5++ section by its own, and there really ought to be a link to some sort of index of these.

You mean, something like this index?

Grumpy editor index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:45 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (guest, #24899) [Link]

Hey, that's cheating! :D

Darn, I guess I really should go look next time before I start requesting stuff ;)

For other curious people, the link that Your Favorite Grumpy Editor (YFGE for future reference? :) ) just mocked me with ;), can be located by going to "Archives" and then clicking the second link.

Point taken though ;)

Although, I and many others seem to be (lazy and) quite unaware of the endless heaps of resources that can found by digging around just a bit (and this appears to involve the much unknown top-navigation link bar).

Silly as we might be, this is probably quite typical for many of the others subscribers as well, and I'm sure that they would be much more appreciated if easier to locate.

Grumpy editor index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:26 UTC (Thu) by mikov (guest, #33179) [Link] (1 responses)

Damn. I didn't know this page existed either ! I think the main thing that this survey is telling us is that the content is excellent, but we might need some reorganizing of the menus.

Grumpy editor index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 21:34 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link]

fully agreed. the content of LWN is excellent. well, the survey results
are pretty clear, i'd say. i did rate some things 1, but mostly because
they just don't spark my interest, it's not that i hate them being there.

and the 'real' articles are very interesting to read and of a very high
quality. actually they are why i read LWN, i've seen the news already.

We need a Grumpy Editor's Guide to LWN :-)

Posted Feb 1, 2007 21:52 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242) [Link]

A tour by example, full of the good Grumpy Editor drawings and screenshots, yeh, that's the ticket!

Grumpy editor index?

Posted Feb 2, 2007 18:46 UTC (Fri) by a9db0 (subscriber, #2181) [Link]

Talk about a hidden feature....
Fortunately, Google is pretty good at finding them.

Grumpy Editor series - excellent! 5+

Grumpy Editor series index - bonus points!

This one probably deserves a link off the main page header. I've read every one, and used several as reference when digging for solutions. I'm sure they take a lot of time to put together, but they are well worth it to this reader. Thanks!

Grumpy Editor series, random comments

Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:18 UTC (Thu) by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458) [Link]

Heartily agree! The Grumpy Editor series alone is worth the subscription. OK, make that somewhat a lot less, the other stuff in LWN is very valuable.

One thing that annoys me is that if you post a comment, afterwards you are placed at the top of the original article again, if there are many comments you need to scroll down quite a bit to go on reading. And what I like a lot is the mail of responses. But the HTML --> text loses too much formatting, <blockquote> in particular gets completely lost, and so quoted stuff doesn't get its distinction. Perhaps mark with "> "?

I do like the current left bar with Recent Features a lot.

Would it be possible to mark "old" (already read) comments somehow? I do revisit old articles, and then I'll be probably more interested in comments left after my last visit.

Kernel page index

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:48 UTC (Thu) by and (guest, #2883) [Link]

I didn't know that it existed, too. But it seems as a pretty good
reference to the kernel's concepts. I suppose it tends to get out of date
sooner rather than later, though. Wouldn't it be a good idea to transform
it into some kind wiki with links to the original articles prominently
placed? It could certainly attract some additional attention for the
site...

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:36 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link]

> We mean this kernel page index.

Wow. Didn't even know that existed. I've never looked at any of the links in the block at the top of the page. I would have been more likely to look at that if it was in the sidebar.

Can you do something like this index for all your articles, not just kernel ones? Or maybe some tagging scheme so that one can find all articles related to topic xyzzy?

Maybe also add help information to the links so that we can mouse over them to get a more detailed description of what "Kernel", etc. link to?

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:08 UTC (Thu) by pm101 (guest, #3011) [Link]

Wow. That's nice. Never knew about that. I'd probably ignore the survey answers, since when I got to that question, I went to this week's kernel page, look long and hard for an index, couldn't figure out what part of the page it was, so filled the survey in with something random.

Sidenote: For future surveys, for the coverage of what to do in the future, I'd provide a little bit more guidance. There's a few axes. (a) Would I use a feature? (b) How important would it be to me? (c) If I wouldn't use a feature, do I have specific opposition? (d) Do I think it's a good idea or bad idea? It wasn't clear how to fit those into the survey. On a bunch of the things (pdf edition, podcast, business coverage, blacklists), I'd never use them. I think they'd probably be a waste of resources. On the other hand, I fundamentally don't care -- if other people want them, they're not hurting me in any way. I wasn't sure if that was a 1 or a 3. The only one I was opposed to is more guest authors unless you manage to set up a very good filter for quality of articles. I can get the equivalent of guest articles by following links off of slashdot or any other site. There is no benefit to me having them on LWN, where they hurt SNR.

Finally: More grumpy editor. That might be a good task for the other editors too. While Corbet is by far the best, it is very tough to get good software reviews of any form. Even if the other authors don't write as well as Corbet, so long as the reviews are comprehensive, having a good place to find out which mail client, video editor, etc. to use provides a lot of value.

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:21 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

It appears our un-indexed Grumpy Editor has a minor bug to fix in the page layout, which bug has left many readers unaware of a handy feature of LWN that would be much more utilized if more apparent. :o)

Kernel page index?

Posted Feb 3, 2007 23:12 UTC (Sat) by fixkowalski (guest, #13396) [Link]

I wasted cumulated days googling for kernel features, while as a subscriber I had access to this page. Please make this more visible. It is a shame that such a piece of information is so buried...

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 3:58 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link] (1 responses)

My main request is to have a way to get a list of the titles and authors of comments shown (preferably nested to indicate which are responses to comments) in the weekly edition, without needing to go to a separate web page. You could consider making this kind of feature available to those who subscribe at the top level; it would be enough to justify that for me.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:57 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

In the old days, of course, we had .newsrc... :/

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:29 UTC (Thu) by NCunningham (guest, #6457) [Link] (8 responses)

"How long should the subscription period be" is a little ambiguous. I
thought at first you were talking about how long we can take out a
subscription for. It was only as I considered the context more that I
realised you mean 'How long should articles be subscriber-only'. HTH.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 7:49 UTC (Thu) by spaetz (guest, #32870) [Link] (7 responses)

same here, I would have like to mark "One Year" until I notice that you actually meant "subscriber only embargo time period"

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:12 UTC (Thu) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (3 responses)

with the ability for subscribers to send links to others I think it's reasonable to consider extending the blackout period

Sending links ...

Posted Feb 1, 2007 22:28 UTC (Thu) by kmself (guest, #11565) [Link] (2 responses)

... is that still available? I've looked for the feature a few times recently and failed to find it. Should be a good advertising technique, I'd think.

Sending links ...

Posted Feb 1, 2007 22:39 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

The "send a link" feature is still available. There is some information in the FAQ on how to use it.

Sending links ...

Posted Feb 5, 2007 19:30 UTC (Mon) by gerv (guest, #3376) [Link]

Yes, I always find it hard to track down as well. Something else which could do with being more prominent.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:53 UTC (Thu) by aschwinm (guest, #33817) [Link]

I was also going to go for one year, maybe the question could have been more clear.

Beste regards

Aschwin Marsman
www.marsman.org

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:51 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] (1 responses)

On that particular question, I'm very happy with being able to specify a number of months for which to subscribe; but I'd have preferred to be able to specify a few more months than 19 in one go! Up to 36 seems reasonable.

As for how long articles should be subscriber-only - I don't know; having them delayed by a week was incentive enough for me, and I don't think just lengthening the embargo will necessarily encourage any more people to subscribe... in fact, perhaps it's already had a cost.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:25 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

As for how long articles should be subscriber-only - I don't know; having them delayed by a week was incentive enough for me, and I don't think just lengthening the embargo will necessarily encourage any more people to subscribe... in fact, perhaps it's already had a cost.

Same here -- I couldn't wait a week.

Easier comment thread following

Posted Feb 1, 2007 4:51 UTC (Thu) by njs (subscriber, #40338) [Link] (4 responses)

It's occasionally happened that I noticed an interesting comment thread that I'd read once when it had n comments now had 2*n comments... but there's no convenient way for me to look and see what's new, except by re-reading the whole thing. Since the high(er) quality discussions are one of the key things that set LWN apart for me, it'd be nice to have some way to do this.

I suppose the Right way is to provide news://lwn.net.

(Agreed that the "subscription period" question could be phrased in a clearer way.)

Easier comment thread following

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:45 UTC (Thu) by emj (guest, #14307) [Link]

ah! the seldom implemented "view-post-since-last-visit", it's hard since it's usually "view-new-comments: that I'm interested in" which would mean you only want the new comments on the stories you have read...

Easier comment thread following

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:49 UTC (Thu) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

going from n comments to 2*n comments is probably worth re-reading them all to have the context for the new ones.

however the one that bugs me is when an article goes from 90 posts to 100 posts, finding the 10 new comments (and seeing their context) is _hard_

Easier comment thread following

Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:25 UTC (Thu) by tgb (guest, #745) [Link] (1 responses)

...there's no convenient way for me to look and see what's new, except by re-reading the whole thing.

It's not perfect, but http://lwn.net/Comments/ makes following comments a fair bit easier...

Easier comment thread following

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:01 UTC (Thu) by mrshiny (guest, #4266) [Link]

I'd say the Comments page doesn't look that useful to me; a quick glance and I was already lost in conversations that started who knows where. It'd be ok if comments were self-contained, but they're usually not at all. Heck, people don't even quote.

I'd like to go further, though, and say that I'd like an easy way to watch the whole article for comment responses; Currently you can only watch the thread that branches from your first reply. There are some articles where I have nothing to say but would like to read the comments as they arrive; for other articles I post replies but would like to watch all the threads anyway, even the ones I'm not participating in.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 5:14 UTC (Thu) by csawtell (guest, #986) [Link] (2 responses)

I really enjoy the 'Grumpy Editor' articles. They would be greatly
enhanced by being typeset and available as pdf files. ( ratioed for both
printing on paper as well as viewing on the screen )

It would not upset me at all if you put Google ads at the bottom in the
side-bar, there is sufficient space.

I have enjoyed reading the LCA articles. You might care to do similar ones
about other conferences.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:56 UTC (Thu) by james (subscriber, #1325) [Link] (1 responses)

It's a pity the "Grumpy Editor" series wasn't mentioned in the survey. I know they take a long time to write, but they are seriously useful and interesting -- and well worth re-reading.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 16, 2007 10:54 UTC (Fri) by csawtell (guest, #986) [Link]

The 'Grumpy Editor' needs a ghost writer to help.
Anybody know of a suitable person?

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 5:17 UTC (Thu) by freemars (subscriber, #4235) [Link] (4 responses)

For what it's worth, LWN is the ONLY online publication I'm willing to pay for.

The Grumpy Editors here - all of them - clearly have their heads and hearts in the right place on issues related to free/libre software -+but+- the writing style is blessedly free of pounding the drums and anti-[evildoer of the week] vitrol. I believe our editors see themselves as reporters, not advocates. That's a good thing; after all, this is Linux Weekly NEWS, not Linux Weekly OPINION.

I depend on LWN for prompt reporting of security flaws and fixes. Thanks, guys.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:17 UTC (Thu) by DG (subscriber, #16978) [Link]

I second that

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:20 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link]

> For what it's worth, LWN is the ONLY online publication I'm willing to
> pay for.

Same here! LWN is my only subscription in the last 20 years, online or printed!

Agreed also that the Grumpy Editor series is marvelous. More, please.

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Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:24 UTC (Thu) by mgh (guest, #5696) [Link]

Agreed, LWN is the _only_ online publication I pay for and have ever paid for and I am on my third subscription. GE articles are great and often funny.

keep up the good work!

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 2, 2007 10:09 UTC (Fri) by pointwood (guest, #2814) [Link]

++ again! This is the only thing I subscribe to and I'm frankly astonished that it doesn't have more subscribers. Maybe it is simply because of all the competition - there are so many places to get your news from and most of them are free.

I just got a new credit card and couldn't remember whether that influenced my subscription here, but a quick check and an update to my subscription so it doesn't run out until 2009 and I was calm again.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 5:52 UTC (Thu) by botsie (guest, #1485) [Link] (1 responses)

I really think LWN could do with a redesign. Not so much the looks, but I suspect that a lot of LWN's content is not as accessable as it should be. I never knew about the kernel index until I saw it mentioned in the survey.

Also, there's no way to browse older articles by subject. You may want to start tagging articles by content.

-- b

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 7:39 UTC (Thu) by dberkholz (guest, #23346) [Link]

Yes, I've discovered a number of really cool features purely by seeing other people mention them in comments or other happenstance: the kernel index, the security database, the comments RSS feed...

Libre Weekly News

Posted Feb 1, 2007 6:25 UTC (Thu) by zooko (guest, #2589) [Link] (3 responses)

LWN is the only online publication that I am happy to pay for. (I also pay for economist.com, but I'm not happy about it.)

I'm a long term, loyal, happy reader and I recommend LWN to others.

My main suggestion is vague and thematic rather than specific: change LWN from meaning "Linux Weekly News" to meaning "Libre Weekly News". (Okay, tongue in cheek, but...)

I'm very interested in Free Software applications whether or not they run on Linux, and I'm interested in Free Software operating systems other than Linux, and I'm interested in issues of Freedom other than as it related to Linux (e.g. patents, copyrights, DRM, censorship, network availability, search engine manipulation...).

Granted, the Linux Kernel Page is the brightest spot in LWN and deserves to keep its favored status, but there's no reason to discriminate against other, non-Linux-specific topics.

In fact, now that I think about it the most common source of irritation on this subject isn't content actually generated by LWN staff and contributors, but rather comments posted by readers griping about "competitors" or alternatives to Linux even when those alternatives are themselves Free Software.

But really, I have friends who run NetBSD instead of Linux and I'm interested in exploring OpenSolaris and I even, dare I say it, participate in communities which are promulgating Freedom and Free Software on Mac OS X and on Windows. It would be cool if I could recommend LWN to those folks without them wondering why I was recommending a "Linux" publication to them.

Libre Weekly News

Posted Feb 1, 2007 12:12 UTC (Thu) by ewan (guest, #5533) [Link]

I agree, though I think that's pretty much the case already, so I'm happy
with the status quo. Interestingly enough, the site barely, if at all,
uses the name 'Linux Weekly News' any more. It actually just calls itself
LWN.net everywhere.

Libre Weekly News

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:17 UTC (Thu) by richardr (guest, #14799) [Link]

I agree, it's the only online resource I pay for, and I am happy to do so. I also go with the "vague and thematic" suggestion too. I use several operating systems and am interested in free software on all of them.

Libre Weekly News

Posted Feb 2, 2007 0:19 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link]

The name of the publication was officially changed from Linux Weekly News to LWN.net several years ago.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 7:43 UTC (Thu) by johoho (guest, #2773) [Link]

I'm a happy lwn reader for about 8 years now. It's the only online news source I'm willing to pay for. Reasons for that are the high quality articles and the low noise-to-info ratio in the comments.

Please do not go into this community-building thing and spend too much time "enhancing" the comments sections. Maybe a cookie with "what are the new comments" would be helpfull, as one comment has requested.

Another issue that I agree, is that the article-archive needs some overhaul. Tagging articles might be one way to do that. You should definately give that a try.

Oh, despite the fact that a lot of people seem to like howto's, please do not become another www.rootprompt.org...

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 7:55 UTC (Thu) by pimlott (guest, #1535) [Link] (5 responses)

Assorted comments:

I can't find anything called "main articles" or "daily updates", but I assume this is what you get at http://lwn.net/, yes?

I'm very mixed about more guest authors. To date, their quality has varied widely, some splendid, some junk as far as I'm concerned, and I wish that they were held to a uniformly high standard. Further, some have a grating tendency to mimic Jon's writing style. While it works brilliantly for him, I don't enjoy reading poor imitations.

I'm a bit bothered by the positive response to the "howto" suggestions. Howtos are everywhere on the web, and while I'm sure LWN could do them better, it might just be adding to the clutter. It just doesn't seem to be a good way for LWN to distinguish itself and use its scarce resources. Further, this sort of material is best incorporated directly into the projects' documentation, I think. But maybe I have to see a few articles before judging.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:19 UTC (Thu) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (1 responses)

good how-to articles don't need to be written by the LWN staff, in fact they are a perfect way to get contributions from others.

the key problem is how to get ones that are in depth enough to be worthwhile without being overly complicated.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 20:45 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link]

I agree. The problem with non-trivial howtos is that they are necessarily tied to a particular version of a particular distribution.

For instance, I'm in the middle of writing a KVM howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM . I'd love to submit something like this to LWN for publication. The problem is, it would take days for me to make it distribution-neutral. And, if it did cover most of the popular distributions, it would probably be incomprehensible. Ever try following code with tons of #ifdefs in it? Now picture that with English...

HOWTOs are great. I'm just skeptical that they could be turned into something worthy of publication on LWN.

(I suppose one solution would be a wiki-type-thing, where readers could translate HOWTOs to different distros themselves. That sounds a little far-fetched though...)

Howto Suggestions

Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:36 UTC (Thu) by siesel (guest, #5021) [Link] (1 responses)

I also bother about the "howto" sugestion. So I would like to know more about LWN's understanding of "howtos".

What I would like is a "howto" approach similar to the "Grumpy" Editor articles. Just taking a real world problem, e.g. remote desktop/ssh access to a colleagues desk and giving an overview about possible solutions and there advantages/disadvantages.

IMHO to try to replace or enhance The Linux Documentation Project by creating detailed step by step howtos doesn't make sense. Even in a portal to tldp.org I see little value.

Howto Suggestions

Posted Feb 1, 2007 20:23 UTC (Thu) by pimlott (guest, #1535) [Link]

What I would like is a "howto" approach similar to the "Grumpy" Editor articles. Just taking a real world problem, e.g. remote desktop/ssh access to a colleagues desk and giving an overview about possible solutions and there advantages/disadvantages.
As you put it that way, I can see potential. It might even (as sometimes the grumpy editor reviews do) point out problems for which we have no entirely satisfactory solution. So despite my reservations, I would like to see a trial. Most howtos only step you through one approach, but critical, comparative analysis is harder to find, and could play to LWN's strengths.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 19:26 UTC (Thu) by kamil (guest, #3802) [Link]

I second the negative attitude toward howtos on LWN. LWN is about news. Howtos are not news. Good howtos, while always welcome, simply don't belong at LWN, IMO.

However...

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:23 UTC (Thu) by liw (subscriber, #6379) [Link]

The biggest change in LWN I desire is less use of the word "however".

I am very, very happy with LWN.

various thoughts (sorry, bad english)

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:26 UTC (Thu) by airman (subscriber, #7341) [Link]

1) keep up the good work

2) think of the article of Joel on features in software before removing some parts of LWN (http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/09.html)

3) one of the things where LWN did really help me with my job is when there are articles on usefull apps or categories of app (grumpy editors): I mean I have no longer the time required to scan through the immense wealth of linux apps to find the tool I don't know of that solve my problem of the day. Many times I discovered something really useful here (or in the comments that said hey how coan you not mention program XX)

4) please add one or two more subscription levels (eg: linux-friendly-company-backed-department-director, etc...). there are some who can contribute more. please let them do it.

5) as many people here (according to results), I long to discover some articles on user mode dev and sysadmin. What I dream of is for dev: introduction article to some useful library I don't know of, or some dev tool that can change my life, for admin: stories of real-life problems and what solutions were applied. And of course the most important comments: bad solution, you should have done XX, or good solution, but you can do better if you do YY

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:36 UTC (Thu) by ekj (guest, #1524) [Link] (2 responses)

My main idea is to more brutally focus on doing that which Lwn does uniquely good, and sacrificing that which 101 other sources do in a similar way.

Many of the Lwn-kernel-articles explaining details of how the kernel works are unmatched anywhere else.

The grumpy Editor series is among the finest reviews of software found anywhere, they work so well because our Editor fundamentally "gets it", he is one of us. I have no interest in reading: "I never used anything other than Windows until last week --- here's my take on mutt" type articles. It also helps that our beloved editors are just plainly good writers. The articles are funny, witty, frequently tongue-in-cheek, rife with internal references and jokes and just generally on-the-level. I realize that means they're completely useless for my Grandmother who is looking for an email-client, but it means for *me* they're perfect.

The "lets-take-two-steps-back" articles are also vital. It's easy to find articles focusing on what happened this week. It's a lot harder to find articles where it shows that the author has a memory. Where the larger, longer lines are drawn. "What's up with X this decade -- where does it come from, where migth it be headed." kind of articles.

Linux in the news is often interesting, more often than not due to the intelligence of many readers here. You frequently get to hear takes on things that you'd be unlikely to find on say /. Your deliberate choice to cover only what you consider important ("Recommended reading") is brilliant. Quality beats quantity every time.

On the other hand, some other sections are distinctly non-special and in many cases there's lots better sources.

I don't particularily *care* which 3 (of the total zillion) distributions updated their libfoo to deal with the bar-vulnerability reported X weeks ago this week. I migth wonder if *my* distro has fixed the problem, but apt-get, yum or whatever tells me that.

I don't particularily *care* how to set up HylaFax 3.1.2 on a Sparc. I'm guessing perhaps 0.01% of your readers actually care, and those that do are unlikely to care at the precise moment that you choose to cover it, so don't. It's not news. Lwn is not TLDP (and shouldn't try to be)

The event-calender is worse than useless. The large major events *migth* be sligthly interesting. Those that it's remotely possible that 10% of your readers care about. Those events that Lwn would consider covering. But the local events swarm them. How large a percentage of your readers care that the Baltimore LUG has a meeting where Samba will be presented ? Lwn ain't nearly complete enough to be *useful* for local stuff either. So, what I see is something like: 5 large international actually-interesting events. 100 miniscule special-interest or extremely-limited-geographically events. And at the same time, the local events in *my* (or any one) geographic area are very very unlikely to be listed at all. My advice ? If Lwn wouldn't consider covering an event, it's not interesting enough to be included in Lwn. (put it under a "click here to see local events" if you really want to keep these at all)

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:46 UTC (Thu) by ortalo (guest, #4654) [Link]

Nice summary. I globally adhere to it so, no need to paraphrase it... ;-)
Just a few possible additions:
- it seems to me that LWN does not have enough corporate customers, given the technically oriented focus and the high-level of satisfaction of all the personal subscribers: maybe you should get another marketing plan or even find some resellers? Note that I don't say that for you to get more $$, it's just that we need to inject more linux-oriented technical knowledge into companies... ;-)
- I'd certainly like to see an expansion towards the BSD world (for example, the security page is certainly an opportunity to talk about OpenBSD ), after all, every good newspaper must have good "International/foreign" pages!
- concerning the subscription period, in fact, the problem is that you would probably need to adjust it depending on the reader: "western" corporate ocasional readers should ask their company to purchase subscriptions instead of simply waiting 2 weeks so they deserve a longer period, students should get a nearly free subscription asap, developing countries certainly need a rebate, etc, etc. (You certainly know these issues better than any of us, no?) So, my idea: either go back to my first point, or try to find a technical-only solution to adapt the subscription delay (e.g. regular comers from IP networks resolving to .com companies could be treated differently than those from a .edu...).

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 5, 2007 19:34 UTC (Mon) by gerv (guest, #3376) [Link]

<applause>. Although I note that this basically means "We like all the time-consuming stuff; the auto-generated stuff isn't so useful". Which is not the best news for the editor. But hey, it's the truth :-)

Please change the title tag

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:38 UTC (Thu) by tekNico (subscriber, #22) [Link] (1 responses)

A small nit: could you please change the title tag?

I use ScrapBook, a wonderful Firefox extension that locally saves web pages, and shows titles in a tree in the sidebar.

The first title characters are very significant, in the small sidebar width: for that reason, I ask you to change your title template from

LWN: ${RealTitle}

to

${RealTitle} - LWN

because currently, each and every time I save a LWN page, I have to go in there and move the "LWN" name to the end.

Thank you for this, and mostly for your wonderful work.

Please change the title tag

Posted Feb 1, 2007 8:54 UTC (Thu) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

this would also help those of us who have a dozen (or more) tabs open.

on the other hand, they do far better then other sites, the typical thing would be "Linux Weekly News Article: ${RealTitle}" ;-)

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:35 UTC (Thu) by angelortega (guest, #1306) [Link]

I would suggest just a little improvement; always add the author near the
article's title, even if it's one of the editors. I've liked many articles
in the "Development" section (special those about music software) that I
think are written by Forrest Cook, but I'm never completely sure and would
like to know. And I want to see your faces! I want a vanity/fetish editor
page for us LWN groupies.

Keep the good work!

more thoughts

Posted Feb 1, 2007 9:55 UTC (Thu) by dune73 (guest, #17225) [Link] (6 responses)

Most of the things have been covered above, but i'll add my 2 cents nevertheless.

Every LWN edition is an example of good journalism. I seem to be among the many subscribers unwilling to pay for content, but making an exception for LWN.

LWN is best at analysing issues with a long term dimension and of adding this depth to a new story, that is also covered elsewhere, but without the deep insight. I think the voice of LWN is heard in the community and many high profile commenters underline this fact.

Revamping the site visually would make it more appealing (no drums and whistles, but a clean, modern layout. Right now it is a clean old-fashioned layout).

The subscription rate is growing slowly. You have tried hard to improve that, but without much success. So maybe this is just the way it is. LWN is not for the masses, it's not for those reading tabloids, but it is for those who enjoy a good newspaper.

What you could do is trying to make yourself more heard outside of LWN. Marketing, stronger presence at events, guest pieces elsewhere, cooperations with other online media with the aim to bring more readers
to LWN. This costs time and energy, so a patron sponsoring this would help.
Without undermining the independence of LWN of course.

Otherwise: Just keep going. You are on good tracks.

more thoughts

Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:48 UTC (Thu) by osma (subscriber, #6912) [Link] (1 responses)

Revamping the site visually would make it more appealing (no drums and whistles, but a clean, modern layout. Right now it is a clean old-fashioned layout).

I second this. How about announcing a redesign competition among LWN readers, like Slashdot quite successfully did not so long ago? I'm sure there are many raders who could suggest a more modern layout based on web standards and without forgetting accessibility, usability, findability etc.

The current layout is quite functional but not very aesthetic IMHO, and like some others have pointed out, some interesting parts of the site are harder to find than necessary.

more thoughts

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:10 UTC (Thu) by frazier (guest, #3060) [Link]

I thought the whole Slashdot redesign process didn't go so well. The end product is fine, but they made some usability errors early on and, guessing by the decline of the ammounts of comments during that time, they (predictably) lost readership at minimum short term.

page layout -- horizontal scrolling

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:50 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link] (3 responses)

Revamping the site visually would make it more appealing (no drums and whistles, but a clean, modern layout. Right now it is a clean old-fashioned layout).

The only revamping that I would like to see is elimination of the ability of one comment to wreck a page through the use of long, unbroken character strings. Other sites which allow comments, and are based on HTML tables, also suffer from this bug. As it is, anyone could force the width of this page, and any HTML format comments, to reach a very annoying extreme.

It is correctable either by pre-parsing comments (inserting whitespace if strings outside of < and > exceed a certain length without whitespace) or by eliminating the use of tables for displaying comments.

page layout -- horizontal scrolling

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:52 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (2 responses)

I thought that problem had mostly been fixed when we started activating long URLs and shortening the text to http://long-url.com/whatever... Longer term, a better, more CSS-aware layout is clearly needed.

page layout -- horizontal scrolling

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:22 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link] (1 responses)

The article GPL 3: An Open-Source Earthquake? (CRN) is one which now appears with a long horizontal scrollbar for me. Each line is about twice the width of my browser. Best I can tell, it comes from one plain-text URL widening one column of the table.

It doesn't happen often but it is most likely to happen when there are lots of comments. It is also a method by which someone can work deliberate mischief.

page layout -- horizontal scrolling

Posted Sep 11, 2007 15:37 UTC (Tue) by JLCdjinn (guest, #1905) [Link]

CSS offers at least one elegant solution to this problem with the overflow property. When set to "auto", a block that is too wide will automagically generate its own scroll bars; other blocks are not affected.

For LWN, the rule would look something like this:

div.CommentBox
{
  overflow: auto;
}

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:22 UTC (Thu) by chuliomartinez (guest, #37450) [Link] (1 responses)

As others already said, the kernel page is always the very first thing I read. While I don't always understand everything, it is very well written and very informative.
I would love more such in-depth articles on topics like X, Apache. Or even
KDE or GNOME. I know this would be too nice to be true, but maybe someone will bite the bullet and try.

Thank you!

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:03 UTC (Thu) by Zenith (guest, #24899) [Link]

Agreed.

As I've already been flushed out and revealed as being lazy earlier in this discussion, I might as well not try and hide it this time around ;)

Anyways, what I would love is articles on topics such as using D-BUS, for instance when writing Python applications, or while using GTK+.
While there might be a number of such articles already on the internet, the clarity and presentation of its articles is what puts articles on LWN aside from other such articles.

Penguin gallery and other

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:30 UTC (Thu) by cate (subscriber, #1359) [Link]

I like the Penguin gallery and twice per year I need to look it! unfortunately there are a lot of PHP errors and it seems no more updated.

I would like article on unix/linux (in style of kernel). I.e. permission (not std level, but detailed, i.e. sticky bit, SUID/SGID bit on non files), but also the differences between SUID and SGID (not the U and G, but the more suble differences), and so on. I.e. advanced topic, probably with references on kernel and security.

On usenix' ;login: I like the report on standards (posix, austin). Could we copy it? Or have announces to major new RFCs?

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 10:31 UTC (Thu) by tibsnjoan (guest, #3800) [Link] (1 responses)

I like LWN a lot, and find it very useful. I trust you to continue to do good stuff, and consider it very good value for the price.

One of the most useful, albeit very simple, things for me is the "One big page" link on the weekly issue - this means I don't forget to at least skim any part of the zine.

Tibs

bigpage and printable links

Posted Feb 2, 2007 7:14 UTC (Fri) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link]

> One of the most useful, albeit very simple, things for me is the "One
> big page" link on the weekly issue - this means I don't forget to at
> least skim any part of the zine.

This reminds me. I always view the weekly edition by grabbing the URL for it, then adding "bigpage?format=printable" by hand. It would be very helpful to be able to set this as a preference so I don't have to always type this or click through several links to get it.

Things I like, and want

Posted Feb 1, 2007 11:33 UTC (Thu) by alex (subscriber, #1355) [Link] (1 responses)

LWN is well worth the money to me. I'm a developer so it's the Kernel pages and Development pages I find most useful. As far as I'm concerned if these expanded to the detriment of the others I'd be happy :-)

More "Hello World with libX/langX/frameworkX" articles would be useful in the Development section. Not trying to replace the documentation of projects but a pointer to how easy/hard it to use something and give a flavour of the sort of thing that can be achieved.

Having said that I usually find the Front Page "State of FLOSS" type articles very informative and easier to keep upto date on the "big issues" than following LT or Slashdot stories over the preceding week or days.

The security articles are usually very interesting athough I only give a passing gloss over the actual advisories. Most people should be subscribed to the security feeds of the their respective distros anyway. It is useful for those big exploits though and seeing if you are affected and if your distro is being slow.

I don't tend to value the news and annoucements. Things like the calender and disrolist are useful reference though.

To me LWN is a developer friendly weekly read with a little FLOSS politics thrown in. Well worth the subscription and I wish it to continue!

Things I like, and want

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:48 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

The security stuff *is* useful if you're (as I am) working at security-theatre-prone places which don't keep up to date (because the bureaucracy involved in doing so is too insane): I can use that to force through single specific updates which I judge will be important, eating the bureaucratic cost for that single update where I couldn't do it for all of them.

Of course such places won't let me subscribe to bugtraq or fulldisclosure there (only dangerous attackers use those, they think, so they ban them) and some of these places don't even have email: but they all (so far) let me get to LWN.

(Yes, this sucks, but LWN's advisories list is doing a good job of reducing the suck factor there.)

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 12:49 UTC (Thu) by ll (guest, #4404) [Link]

Just wanted to second (third, fourth?) the comments that you're an indispensible resource. I'm happy to pay for a subscription in large part because I can trust that you'll deliver a useful weekly summary of what's going on in the Linux world. LWN is like having a smart and savvy colleague who I comes by my office every week to tell me what's new and important.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 13:03 UTC (Thu) by smitty_one_each (subscriber, #28989) [Link]

Hopefully this survey will help to identify audiences.
For example, I represent the reader who would like to grow himself into a kernel developer. Anything that can help usher me along the learning curve is worth doing, and I'm quite pleased to pay for the privilege.
Thanks for producing among the best values on the internet, Mr. Corbet.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:00 UTC (Thu) by goodgnews (guest, #31551) [Link] (2 responses)

I would also suggest, if you want to bring in more dough, making the archives open to subscribers only. People can read all the past stuff for free, which would take a lifetime, and never even get around to reading the articles posted "this" week. Provide a bunch of sample articles from the archive to show that it is worth it.

You content is awesome, nobody out there is doing what you guys do. Dont be afraid to capitalize on it. I am happy to pay for the content because it is so good.

Another suggestion: put ads with the free content, but for subscribers the ads are not shown.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:01 UTC (Thu) by grouch (guest, #27289) [Link]

I would also suggest, if you want to bring in more dough, making the archives open to subscribers only. People can read all the past stuff for free, which would take a lifetime, and never even get around to reading the articles posted "this" week. Provide a bunch of sample articles from the archive to show that it is worth it.

I strongly disagree! In my opinion, such schemes are a perversion. Archives are not "news", they are reference material. The reason I subscribe to LWN (the only online news for which I am willing to pay) is to get at the new stuff while it is still news. I would not continue to subscribe to LWN if the archives became subscriber-only.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:49 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

This would ruin the ability to google LWN: a *very* bad move.

An idea

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:07 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link] (1 responses)

How many subscribers short is LWN from achieving self-sufficiency?

How about, for those articles which are freed from embargo or mailed to other users, posting a little bar at the top of the article (say, between title and body) saying "We are X subscribers short of self-funding - subscribe now?" or something? Nothing too obtrusive, but it gets the point across. (I'm not sure the embargo actually helps anything; it didn't make me subscribe - having some spare cash did that! but before that I could actually live with the delay quite happily... because what I read LWN for - and what I believe LWN's unique selling point to be - is the editorial, not the N; and that doesn't age. But having a target to aim for...)

Also, I'd like to add my voice to the pleas for comments to be a subscriber-only facility... admittedly only because of one particular commenter, but hey. ;) It's also a relatively easy (but visible, and surprisingly effective, psychologically) point of differentiation.

Please continue allowing anonymous posts

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:17 UTC (Thu) by broom (guest, #2914) [Link]

First up, I'd like to add my voice to the chorus about LWN being the only online service I'd pay for. Actually, it's stronger than that: I am pyschologically compelled to subscribe. My heart dropped through the floor when I read the initial announcement of LWN's anticipated closure.

As others have said above, the compelling feature of LWN is the high-level descriptions and summaries of the topics covered, especially current and planned changes to the kernel, written by people who can place the material in the correct long-term context.

Please continue allowing anonymous posts. When I visit other sites, nothing cheeses me off more than having to go through the rigmarole of registering just so that I can add a small comment or suggestion. I usually don't bother, but I've still accumulated and forgotten a zillion used-once accounts. Often I just decide to have nothing further to do with the site and stop visiting it. Other sites (e.g. groklaw) seem to work quite well with anonymous posts, with many prominent, intelligent people posting comments anonymously.

It might be worthwhile allowing anonymous posts to be rated very simply by subscribers (useful or not useful), and allowing subscribers to filter comments based on say the number/proportion of useful/not useful ratings.

Howto's can be useful, but they can age quickly. It's very annoying to find say "linux networking howtos" from 1996, and I form a low opinion of sites hosting such. There should be a plan for tracking a howto's effective age based on its content not its last modified date. Perhaps subscribers could rate a howto as "old" or "current", with howtos having a high proportion of old ratings automatically flagged for old age treatment. After a grace period, old howtos should be moved into an archive out of sight from the search engines. They could be replaced by an updated or rewritten howto if desired.

calendar

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:54 UTC (Thu) by kh (guest, #19413) [Link] (3 responses)

Is the calendar available to be subscribed to (in iCal format?) with e.g. - Google calendar?

calendar

Posted Feb 1, 2007 14:59 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (1 responses)

That's one of those "we'll do it real soon now" items. Should have made a question out of it, I guess.

calendar glitch

Posted Feb 1, 2007 21:31 UTC (Thu) by jenro (subscriber, #7024) [Link]

While you are at it: could the events overview on the announcements page
be fixed? It´s a bit confusing that days 10, 20 or 30 are always shortend
to 1, 2 or 3.

The "2007 Open Source Think Tank" at Napa for example is listed to start
at March 8 and to end at March 1.

calendar

Posted Feb 1, 2007 22:29 UTC (Thu) by bart (guest, #466) [Link]

I answered "2" on the events question, but an iCal version would definitely make it useful to me! It's
interesting to know which events are coming up, but currently I just don't remember to check the
events page.

I also really enjoy the event write-ups on LWN, like the articles about linux.conf.au.

I miss the history page

Posted Feb 1, 2007 15:06 UTC (Thu) by jeremy_barnes (subscriber, #3987) [Link] (1 responses)

I'm another one for whom LWN is the only online publication I pay for (I've been reading it from the start).

I'm not actively involved in free software development, so I probably have a different perspective from a lot of the readership. I am responsible for an entire (IT) company using Linux for all but administrative staff since it was founded in 2000, and for a while did all of the sysadmin in the company.

The one thing that I miss from the "olden days" is the history page. To me, it was nearly the most interesting part of the entire site, and I was quite sad to see it go (although I understand why it did).

LWN is in a fairly unique position, with the perspective (and editorial talent) to be able to put the current developments in their broader historical context. I think that it is a great service to the community as a whole, and especially to people who weren't involved from the start, to be able to see just how we got where we are today and the battles that people were fighting 5 or 10 years ago.

Keep up the good work!

Jeremy

I miss the history page

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:02 UTC (Thu) by frazier (guest, #3060) [Link]

I really miss the history page as well. That is the pulled feature that I miss most.

Not much more for me to say about this beyond what the parent post mentioned.

-Brock

Advertising placement

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:22 UTC (Thu) by cdmiller (guest, #2813) [Link] (2 responses)

One thing I notice is the lack of advertising on the site. While the low key of the existing advertisements is great, there is plenty of room below that left menu column for more adds. As one scrolls down through the articles on each page, the left hand column is currently empty.

Advertising placement

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:55 UTC (Thu) by bronson (subscriber, #4806) [Link] (1 responses)

I agree with this comment. It amazes me to say this, because while the web has generally turned into an ad-infested nightmare of everything-is-clickable minimal-content sites, LWN stands out as almost entirely ad-free.

I could actually tolerate 1-2 more subtle ads per page iff it would help the bottom line. Especially if they were tasteful. Small, text-only adword blocks are good, 468x60 animated gifs are bad.

If LWN ever invites me to punch the monkey, I'm totally reconsidering my slightly pro-ad position.

Advertising placement

Posted Feb 1, 2007 23:34 UTC (Thu) by jbw (guest, #5689) [Link]

How about allowing people to opt-in to more ads? If there was a button I could click to get more ads (and therefore more revenue for LWN) I would happily choose to do so.

Analysis

Posted Feb 1, 2007 16:28 UTC (Thu) by bcs (guest, #27943) [Link]

I think the thing LWN does best is focusing on the stories that are genuinely important, and providing good analysis to put those stories in context. No other source I've seen comes even close to LWN's caliber in this regard. More coverage along these lines would be invaluable to me.

IMHO, we already have more than enough howto sites and the like. LWN would do well to focus on its strengths.

More content like the Kernel Coverage

Posted Feb 1, 2007 17:38 UTC (Thu) by joelreed (guest, #31128) [Link]

The kernel page is clearly a big draw for alot of folks. I would guess that similiar indepth coverage on projects like gcc, postgresql, apache, etc. would be well received. Maybe not so indepth, but a page or two perhaps. Maybe you could conduct a poll on which big projects to cover.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 18:58 UTC (Thu) by pzb (guest, #656) [Link]

I would like to see a follow-on to "What kind of subscription do you have?" for group subscribers of "Did you have an individual subscription before your group subscription?" or "Would you buy an individual subscription if you did not have access to a group subscription"?

I know that in my group, many of us had personal subscriptions before we got a group subscription.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 22:58 UTC (Thu) by jimi (guest, #6655) [Link]

Like many others have stated, my subscription to LWN has been worth every penny. In fact, it is worth more than the pennies I am already paying. I wonder if in order to meet the monetary needs LWN has a rate hike or higher individual option is appropriate? I'm certain this wouldn't fit everyone, so perhaps some kind of study to find out if higher rates are feasible is appropriate. The content on LWN is the best I've found and I am willing to better support it if required.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 1, 2007 23:25 UTC (Thu) by BackSeat (guest, #1886) [Link]

For a short while, there was a "Desktop" section in LWN (maybe 2-3 years ago?). After a shaky start, it settled into a useful and informative page, although I recall its demise was for financial reasons. It would be good to reconsider that as funds permit, especially now that Linux is becoming more prevalent on the corporate desktop.

With respect to "HOWTO" articles aimed at beginners: please don't. The only other useful, non-beginner Linux publication was Linux Journal, but they've dumbed down so much in the past six months that I have cancelled my subscription. There are LOTS of beginner 'HOWTO' articles on the web, just as there are lots of Linux magazines aimed at beginners, but precious few sites have quality yet resist the need to appeal to the lowest common denominator (well, there's one site, and this is it).

Like so many others, this is the only online resource I pay for, and I'm happy to continue to.

Reader Comments

Posted Feb 1, 2007 23:36 UTC (Thu) by barbara (guest, #3014) [Link] (3 responses)

First, I'd like to echo the earlier reader comments about the overall
excellence of LWN _content_. This is the *only* site I'm willing to pay
for. I've been a faithful reader since 1998.

Second, I've noticed a deterioration of the quality of the _comments_ on
LWN. A few years ago I rated the reader comments as excellent. Over the
past year or two the signal to noise ratio has declined; I've especially
noticed negative and unpleasant posts to subscription-not-required
stories.

The best solution to this problem is to require readers to sign up
for an account at no charge if they want the privilege of commenting.
LXer.com (another excellent Linux news source) does this, and the reader
comments are respectful. It's just a great reader community with lots
of give and take, humour, insight, and just plain fun. LXer requires a
user name (it doesn't have to be your original name) and an email address.
It also requires the user to abide by their Terms of Service and Code of
Conduct.

Reader Comments

Posted Feb 1, 2007 23:38 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

LWN has always required that commenters have an account. I think it does help keep the noise down somewhat, but it's a pretty small barrier.

Reader Comments

Posted Feb 2, 2007 17:32 UTC (Fri) by kael (guest, #1599) [Link] (1 responses)

I have an alternate spin here. I've been against comments since they were implemented, indeed I modified my account settings soley to comment on the survey, since no other form of custom input was provided (shame!).

LWN = Linux Weekly News. It's not /., not a discussion board, not a community forum. And it shouldn't try to be those things.

I subscribe to LWN as I consider it an electronic weekly paper of great quality. However, I use it in that manner; I read once a week the weekly edition. I'm not interested in daily stories and as I mentioned, comments, no thanks. The letters page is the proper response forum.

In closing I'd like to thank LWN and I will continue to thank you with my wallet.

Ps. Please don't respond for my benefit, as I'll be turning off comments again Real Soon.

Reader Comments

Posted Feb 4, 2007 12:56 UTC (Sun) by jrigg (guest, #30848) [Link]

The comments were one of the reasons I paid for a subscription. While some of them can be a waste of space, there are still enough informative and insightful comments to be valuable, especially on the more technical subjects.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 2, 2007 0:27 UTC (Fri) by ordonnateur (guest, #6652) [Link]

Much has been said already with which I agree: it's the only thing for which I am willing to pay a subscription, the value of the Grumpy Editor series should not be underestimated, I never knew the kernel index page was there.

I find the security news useful; yes, as a sysadmin I subscribe to distribution specific lists but it is useful to have a feel for overall trends.
I look at LWN, often via .rss, several times a day, but use the weekly edition to be sure not to have missed anything.
Much of the kernel page is beyond my ken, but I still read it in order to (sort of) understand the development trends.
Howtos could be useful but only if they are at a high technical level. Similarly if you can find good, very good, contributors fine, but quality before quantity.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 2, 2007 10:02 UTC (Fri) by xav (guest, #18536) [Link]

Hi,

first, I'd like to thank LWN for existing. Then, please oh please don't do
podcasts ! I can read english perfectly well, but I have troubles
understanding people (especially natives) speaking english, and then it's
easy for me to read LWN at work, whereas listening for it would not.

Finally, I'd like to underline how difficult it is to choose what kind of
articles I would like being developed in future editions: I know that
whatever the subject, if it's done by LWN it's an enjoyable reading, and
will teach me something interesting.

Cheers,
Xav

The Time Line

Posted Feb 2, 2007 11:35 UTC (Fri) by raytd (guest, #4823) [Link]

I couldn't live without the "Time Line". I look forward to it every year.

Yet another happy customer

Posted Feb 2, 2007 12:16 UTC (Fri) by rountree (guest, #29277) [Link]

What I like best about lwn is the reporting that isn't
duplicated anywhere else. The Grumpy Editor Guides are
unique -- I can't think of any other regular review
with similar depth and honesty. But the section I turn
to week in and week out is the lead kernel article.
Explaining some new aspect of the kernel -- what's the
problem, what was the old solution and its limitations,
what the new solution and possible limitations -- is
invaluable to me. To the best of my knowledge, nobody
else covers this material.

Everything else could go and I would keep coming back
for the in-depth articles on flocks and abis. Granted,
it's a niche market, and I don't know how much you're
going to grow by emphasizing it more than you do currently,
but if you could keep it at its current level then I
forsee renewing my subscription for several more years.

Thanks for all of your wonderful work so far.

Hardware

Posted Feb 2, 2007 16:43 UTC (Fri) by yodermk (subscriber, #3803) [Link]

Ok, so people consider HOWTO articles to not be news, understandably. That may be true, but I suggest integrating them with some hardware coverage. Some articles covering newish hardware -- how well does it work with Linux, what modules are necessary, and how do you set it up? -- would be pretty valuable. That would be a good thing to outsource to guest authors. Someone gets an interesting gadget, does a write-up about it, and it might pique the interest of several LWN readers.

Sure there are other "hardware compatibility list" projects, but they usually have vaguely useful comments and rarely cover newer stuff. I am not proposing a list, just news combined with howtos for newer gadgets not covered well elsewhere.

security vulnerabilities database sorted by creation-date

Posted Feb 4, 2007 0:47 UTC (Sun) by sweikart (guest, #4276) [Link]

I would like a version of http://lwn.net/Vulnerabilities/ that is sorted by creation-date not update-date. This way, I can read about a vulnerability once (the first time it's addressed by anyone), and then never read about it again. -scott

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 5, 2007 12:48 UTC (Mon) by job (guest, #670) [Link] (1 responses)

I think LWN should focus on what makes it unique and great. Even though many thinks how-to articles would be good when clicking through this, please realize that would make just one of a dozen such sites which doesn't charge for content. It would be impossible to put the skill level "just right".

On the other hand, LWN has unique and high quality coverage of most events and excellent in-depth technical articles. Since Kernel Traffic went away, LWN is the only game in town for kernel coverage (following lkml isn't really an option for most of us). The file system articles by Valerie Henson was an excellent example of both easily accessible and technical in content.

Another thing that LWN is great at is the overview articles in the Grumpy Editor series. What makes them unique is the great perspective and knowledge of traditional UNIX utilities that often covers text based tools as well.

If just one thing should be improved on LWN I think it may be the site navigation. It is primitive which is a good thing, but I think that it hides things gems such as the kernel index and the timeline from casual visitors. That concept could also be expanded with a good security and vulnerability overview.

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 6, 2007 0:42 UTC (Tue) by roelofs (guest, #2599) [Link]

... site navigation. It is primitive which is a good thing, but I think that it hides things gems such as the kernel index and the timeline from casual visitors.

Maybe a sidebar heading "Perennial Favorites" or "Most Popular Links" or something (for left side, below everything else)? I agree that some of the real jewels are far too well hidden.

Greg

An LWN reader survey

Posted Feb 5, 2007 14:19 UTC (Mon) by dvdeug (guest, #10998) [Link]

I'd like to see more material similar to the in-depth material on the Kernel, for stuff like GCC, Glibc, binutils, or the GNOME or KDE libraries and support libraries; that is, stuff that runs at a low-level on many people's systems and normally unpublicized changes can have a big effect on systems; on the other hand, stuff that has nice gooey cool code details.

I'd also like to see something like the development page, but without the games and office suites and everything else, and more than just press releases for the compilers and development tools (Valgrind!) and IDEs and other stuff specifically for developers.

missing wishlist item: improved search(!)

Posted Feb 6, 2007 0:51 UTC (Tue) by roelofs (guest, #2599) [Link]

Probably the biggest wishlist item I'd like to see is an improved search facility. The current version is very slow, does no highlighting, and appears to sort by date rather than relevance, which makes it less than useful. On the other hand, it has access to metadata ("Security page", "comment") not easily available to or usable by mainline search engines. I'd love to see some improvements here.

On the other hand, I've read through all the other comments so far, and aside from some "needs better navigation" comments, no one else seems to care about the search facility. So maybe it's just me...

Greg

LWN for mobile/small devices

Posted Feb 6, 2007 6:03 UTC (Tue) by domo (guest, #14031) [Link]

I use a mobile device (Nokia Internet Tablet 770) to read LWN weekly edition.
In order to get it to the device I first need to go to weekly edition front
page, then choose "one big page" and finally "printable page".

I´d like to get all this behind one click under like "lwn weekly edition for small devices".

After downloading the edition to my 770 (with web browser) I use FBReader
to read the content. It screws some stuff up but is better in general
than the default 770 browser for this purpose.

But thanks, the "pain" in process getting the edition to my "ebook reader"
is insignificant to the benefits I achieve by being able to spend loose
time by reading LWN many mornings while sitting at bus going to work.


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