Timely!
Posted May 25, 2013 21:18 UTC (Sat) by
fandingo (subscriber, #67019)
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Timely! by dlang
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DeadDrop and Strongbox
Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Posted May 25, 2013 19:13 UTC (Sat) by
rqosa (subscriber, #24136)
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients by Cyberax
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
> Private X server would be working within the context of a single application, so bugs and crashes in it won't affect other applications.
Actually, private X servers are what I was referring to here:
> > a setuid wrapper that spawns both the client and a server instance for the client to connect to
(Basically, my point was that if it's possible to run an arbitrary amount of X-on-Wayland servers with arbitrary privileges on each server instance, then it's possible to prevent all X client-to-server and server-to-client privilege escalation scenarios.)
Anyone remember Qtopia?
Posted May 25, 2013 18:25 UTC (Sat) by
khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Anyone remember Qtopia? by rsidd
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Introducing Boot to Qt
A phone that boots in 5 seconds would have a market.
Phone? Why you need anything like this on a phone? If you mean smartphone then this ship already sailed. FirefoxOS or Tizen have [small] chance: they are supported by carriers, end-user phones will finally arrive soon, but this thing... it's just too late.
If it shows a noticeable improvement in performance of apps, so much the better.
Not if there are just a small handfull of apps (see Windows Phone which still have this problem even if they spent literally billions trying to mitigate that problem).
Much depends on the pricing: if the phone itself costs $20-$30 (actually, a decent Android phone costs at least $100 even if it comes from the cheap Chinese makers) then an additional $5 may be worth it, an additional $20 won't.
When I've said $20-$30 I meant price of the underlying SOC, not about price of the whole phone. The phone itself will be priced at around $50-$100 today and the difference of $5 which can be had by switching from Android to "Boot to Qt" is already hard to justify. It'll be priced even cheaper tomorrow, difference in price will be even smaller (price of the LCD does not depend on the size of RAM, you know) and it'll make even less sense.
It's OS/2 story all over again: when OS/2 was introduced in 1992 it and most it's competitors (things like DESQview/X or NeXTSTEP) really needed whopping 8MiB to be usable while Windows 3.1 worked just fine with 4MiB - that was big dealâ„¢ and Windows won big time. IBM spent a lot of efforts and in 1994-1995 OS/2 Warp was flying on 8MiB and was even usable on 4MiB while Windows95 was barely usable on 8MiB and really needed 12-16MiB for comfortable use. Windows won big time again because it was prettier, had more software and systems with 12-16MiB of RAM were mainstream at the time.
The same here: five or six years ago Qtopia had quite real and tangible advantage over Android - you could save big on hardware. But today this advantage is much, much smaller and disadvantages (lack of the applications and "content", lack of big name, etc) are worse. 5 second boot time is not something you can sell except maybe to handful of geeks. If Qtopia failed back then when advantages were big and disadvantages small then why do you think "Boot to Qt" will win today when the situation is reversed?
Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Posted May 25, 2013 18:11 UTC (Sat) by
viro (subscriber, #7872)
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients by kevinm
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Functional languages
Posted May 25, 2013 15:53 UTC (Sat) by
rwmj (subscriber, #5474)
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An "enum" for Python 3 by flewellyn
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An "enum" for Python 3
Actually, enums are a hack for people that have never heard of constructed types and patterns. For example in OCaml:
type color = Black | White | Color of r * g * b
and r = float and g = float and b = float
let string_of_color = function
| Black -> "black"
| White -> "white"
| Color (1.0, 0.0, 0.0) -> "red"
| Color (r, g, b) when r = g && g = b -> "grey"
| Color (r, g, b) -> sprintf "(%g, %g, %g)" r g b
Learn to love it
Posted May 25, 2013 15:50 UTC (Sat) by
man_ls (subscriber, #15091)
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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM) by smokeing
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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM)
Ok, it wasn't JavaScript, but my argument still stands.
Does it? So you got a lousy job working in something else, but the fault still lies with JavaScript?
Someone blur my face while saying this, please: learn to love JavaScript. I resisted for many years while everyone around me started using it in anger, and now I enjoy it more than it should be healthy. Hey, I have even enjoyed developing a web application in PHP, it's not so bad. Or maybe I am not so picky.
I have not learned Erlang (yet) so I don't have an opinion about it, but I know that JavaScript is so much more expressive than Java or C. It can get ugly as hell, but then you can write ugly code in any language.
Name
Posted May 25, 2013 15:50 UTC (Sat) by
rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Name by zonker
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Introducing Boot to Qt
Anyone remember Qtopia?
Posted May 25, 2013 15:49 UTC (Sat) by
rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Anyone remember Qtopia? by khim
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Introducing Boot to Qt
OT: ChromeOS without Google account?
Posted May 25, 2013 15:42 UTC (Sat) by
derat (subscriber, #59036)
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OT: ChromeOS without Google account? by debacle
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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM)
Require revelation!
Posted May 25, 2013 11:29 UTC (Sat) by
Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054)
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Require revelation! by dlang
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Google releases a draft VP8 patent cross-license
Thank you, sir. Precisely what I had in mind, just much more coherent. :-)
Quotes of the week
Posted May 25, 2013 11:13 UTC (Sat) by
man_ls (subscriber, #15091)
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Quotes of the week by dark
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Quotes of the week
Amen. Both in the client and in the server.
How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM)
Posted May 25, 2013 10:42 UTC (Sat) by
Lennie (subscriber, #49641)
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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM) by robert_s
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How Google plans to rule the computing world through Chrome (GigaOM)
An unexpected perf feature
Posted May 25, 2013 10:36 UTC (Sat) by
mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
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An unexpected perf feature by ras
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An unexpected perf feature
192k of data (point DS, ES, SS to different segments).
An "enum" for Python 3
Posted May 25, 2013 10:34 UTC (Sat) by
renox (subscriber, #23785)
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An "enum" for Python 3 by flewellyn
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An "enum" for Python 3
Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Posted May 25, 2013 9:12 UTC (Sat) by
Cyberax (
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients by dlang
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Posted May 25, 2013 9:11 UTC (Sat) by
dlang (
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients by Cyberax
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Empty symlinks and full POSIX compliance
Posted May 25, 2013 9:00 UTC (Sat) by
tpo (subscriber, #25713)
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Empty symlinks and full POSIX compliance by viro
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Empty symlinks and full POSIX compliance
EFF: Vermont Is Mad as Hell at Patent Trolls
Posted May 25, 2013 8:54 UTC (Sat) by
shentino (subscriber, #76459)
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EFF: Vermont Is Mad as Hell at Patent Trolls
Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Posted May 25, 2013 8:35 UTC (Sat) by
Cyberax (
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients by rqosa
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Numerous security issues in X Window System clients
Anyone remember Qtopia?
Posted May 25, 2013 8:06 UTC (Sat) by
khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Anyone remember Qtopia? by csamuel
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Introducing Boot to Qt
Then what's the point? Qt is probably less resource-hungry then Android, but since you are basically cede control of your destiny to Digia... who'll want to use it? And why?
I can see niche for something like this in year 2005 when 1-2GiB of RAM (needed to power Android) was a big deal, but today... when hardware with decent support for full-blown Android in the range of $20-$30 or less... are these potential $3-$5 savings actually worth the hassle?
I think we'll see some adoption, of course, but I don't think this thing will fare any better then Qtopia: it's essentially the same thing and it'll fail for the same reason. Android is either free (if you don't play by Google's rules) or has a negative price (if you play by Google's rules and thus cede control to a large degree) while this thing always have a positive price and you have to cede control, too. Who will want that?