The RIAA, GitHub, and youtube-dl
Toward the end of October, GitHub removed the repository for the youtube-dl utility, which provides a means to
download video content from various streaming sites, such as YouTube.
The repository was replaced
with a cheery notice that it had been
removed due to a DMCA
takedown. It will likely come as no surprise that the DMCA action came
from the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) or that the
complaint was that the program circumvented the "technological
protection measures
" used on the videos by YouTube and other authorized sites.
If the goal of that notice was to somehow erase youtube-dl from the internet, the effort could not have been more misguided. Predictably, the notice fully revalidated the "Streisand effect": as word filtered out, youtube-dl was spread far and wide. Beyond that, many who had never heard of the program before were suddenly aware of its existence, purpose, and the threat to its continued existence. Meanwhile, youtube-dl is still available for download, packaged for Linux distributions, and so on. The repository shutdown is an inconvenience to the project and its users but not much more than that.
The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a US law—ostensibly about protecting copyright-holders—that has been (ab)used in a wide variety of ways by the enormous content conglomerates that hold the bulk of the copyrights for music, television, movies, and so on. In particular, the anti-circumvention provisions have been invoked in dubious ways to try to prevent competition in printer-ink cartridges, thwart investigation into the Volkswagen emissions cheating, and to chill cryptographic research of various sorts. While the DMCA itself is US law, it was written to implement two World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO) treaties, so the effects are more widely applicable.
The RIAA is no stranger to using the DMCA, of course. The organization has been sending takedown notices since the DMCA was enacted and was filing lawsuits against alleged copyright infringers before that. There are certainly legitimate infringement problems that the organization and its members have targeted along the way, but their blanket attacks and overreach (e.g. the the "dancing baby" video takedown) have also done much to paint the law (and the RIAA) in a rather bad light—not that it has resulted in any changes to the DMCA, sadly.
While youtube-dl can be used to circumvent the controls that streaming services place on their content, it can also be used for a wide variety of other tasks, many of which are perfectly legal. In addition, as the creator of youtube-dl, Ricardo García, recently pointed out, there are some who are unable to see these videos without using a tool like youtube-dl. While bandwidth has increased in many areas since youtube-dl was created in 2006, there are still plenty of folks who live at the end of a tiny, unreliable pipe. Beyond that, those with metered access might not want to pay multiple times to replay a video that they like. Those types of uses might not strictly be legal, but they are understandable; the RIAA, however, is not known for making distinctions of that sort.
The Freedom of the Press Foundation has described a number of different youtube-dl use cases for journalists, who need to be able to do things that are simply impossible without having direct access to the video content. The videos in question are generally not copyrighted by RIAA members, but, once again, the RIAA takes an "all or nothing" approach to the tool. In its notice to GitHub, the RIAA points to some specific entries in the source code that refer to pop music videos copyrighted by its members:
A look at the Python source code shows that those works (and
others) are used as tests; they are not presented as "sample uses
" of the
tool, as described.
In an interview
with former maintainer Phillip Hagemeister, he describes the tests as
simply downloading the first 10KB of the videos in question, which amounts
to a few seconds of video, to ensure that
the formats are still being handled correctly. "This is certainly
fair use, but the project is fully functional without these test
cases.
"
If he were still involved in the project, he would be in favor of removing them
from the source code, however, presumably to try to placate the RIAA.
He also provided some more reasons why youtube-dl is important:
It is undoubtedly true that youtube-dl is used to download copyrighted work out from under its technological protections, but it is not at all clear that is the dominant use for the tool. Given that YouTube and other sites have vast arrays of user-uploaded content that is not subject to the same restrictions as the RIAA's precious content, any tool to access it will need to be able to use those sites in ways that are outside of the web-based interaction provided. Since there are also good reasons why people might want to view these videos in ways that RIAA members have not envisioned—or countenanced—any useful tool will need to be able to decode all of the different formats provided by the platforms. As with all tools, youtube-dl can be used in many different ways, some that even the RIAA might find to be acceptable.
One guesses that the abrupt shutdown of its repository will not seriously deter the project moving forward. But it is not clear what data the project was able to extract from GitHub beyond just the Git repository itself. There are a number of additional features at GitHub, such as the issue tracker, pull request discussions, and wiki, that could be lost forever. That would be unfortunate, but is one of the dangers projects face when choosing to host their project at a site like GitHub—the data is not always easily backed up, nor is it readily imported into another hosting site if needed.
Based on the perfectly predictable outcome of the notice, it is hard to see what the RIAA strategy or goal really is here. It seems unlikely that the highest levels of the organization's leadership were involved in the decision; perhaps some low-level RIAA lawyer was doing a bit of "freelancing" on behalf of the members. In any case, the notice was made and GitHub had to act on it. There are indications that the company is not happy with the situation, but that does not really change much either.
These days, though, GitHub is owned by Microsoft, which, famously, (now) "loves open source". Microsoft is also a member of the RIAA, which has led the Software Freedom Conservancy to ask the tech giant to resign from the RIAA over the youtube-dl DMCA notice.
So far, there have been no public statements from GitHub, Microsoft, or the youtube-dl project; one suspects there may be some discussions going on behind the scenes, though. The whole episode is something of a black eye for GitHub, but that is not particularly fair; the RIAA and the various governmental entities involved in creating the WIPO treaties should really bear the brunt of the opprobrium. But regardless of any of that, removing youtube-dl (or something derived from it) from the internet is, effectively, impossible—much like trying to put toothpaste back into the tube. For now, at least, youtube-dl can still be found in the GitHub DMCA repository, ironically, and in countless other locations as well.
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 3:33 UTC (Thu)
by kuon (guest, #135598)
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It made me realize how dependent we were on github. It is a good tool, there is no deny that, but we are giving away a lot of control over our own projects in return.
I wish some larges foss projects would move away from github, to help ensure that the alternatives stays alive.
Posted Nov 12, 2020 4:06 UTC (Thu)
by pj (subscriber, #4506)
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by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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Posted Nov 14, 2020 13:59 UTC (Sat)
by Lennie (subscriber, #49641)
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https://radicle.xyz/ is the most advanced is my guess.
I hope those get developed further.
My guess is we need good protocols on how to do storage on IPFS for git data, possibly part of regular git program long term.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 3:02 UTC (Sun)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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https://github.com/ipfs-shipyard/git-remote-ipld
Some discussion of git on IPFS:
https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/git-on-ipfs-links-and-reference...
Posted Nov 17, 2020 9:54 UTC (Tue)
by Lennie (subscriber, #49641)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 4:07 UTC (Thu)
by flussence (guest, #85566)
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I've noticed some have pre-emptively set up Gitlab mirrors in the last week or two. That's better than nothing I suppose, but disaster recovery *cannot* be a reactive process.
Posted Nov 14, 2020 15:06 UTC (Sat)
by ghorbanian (guest, #129503)
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Posted Nov 15, 2020 16:07 UTC (Sun)
by Paf (subscriber, #91811)
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In fact, if you don’t need to solve those specific security problems, blockchain is a shit way of distributing stuff - it has *massive* overhead vs a distributed protocol without “proof of work” (or proof of whatever you’d like). If your fundamental goal is to get *data* around in a trusted manner - rather than do distributed agreement type things - blockchain is not a good answer.
We know how to build distributed services, I think the problem is practicality and combining distributed service with ease of finding things and all the other stuff - as you mentioned - that a system like GitHub provides.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 16:07 UTC (Sun)
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by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 9:18 UTC (Thu)
by ldearquer (guest, #137451)
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But in this case, copies are offered for free by using a browser. The content is already downloaded, and a copy is in my machine. So what if I use program Z or Y to store it locally, play it backwards, invert the color or whatever I want, as long as I don't redistribute it?
Kind of like recording TV programs
Posted Nov 12, 2020 11:01 UTC (Thu)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 12:19 UTC (Thu)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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Because actually, copyright is nothing to do with distribution and everything to do with copying. I can buy a book and lend ("distribute") it to all my friends, so long as it's the original each time. I HAVEN'T COPIED IT.
What I can't do is buy a CD, put it in my library, and make a copy of it for my car so that if my car gets broken in to I don't lose the original.
And this is why, when computers and copyright meet, things get extremely messy. Because the normal operation of computers REQUIRES making copies. Temporary copies, permanent copies, the law doesn't care. IT'S ILLEGAL by default. Which is why software comes with licence agreements, giving you permission to make the copies you need to use the software.
Nowadays, it's made simpler (and murkier) by "implied permission" - if you *need* to make copies, then you have default permission for those copies AND THOSE COPIES ALONE. But one only has to read the piece by the author of youtube-dl to know that what may be called "necessary" by one person is called "reckless disregard for the law" by someone else ...
Cheers,
Posted Nov 12, 2020 14:09 UTC (Thu)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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The DMCA criminalizes this if you are circumventing access controls -- including on a DVD that you bought legally to play on your own computer, without making any copies. CDs have no access controls and the DMCA does not apply.
Posted Nov 12, 2020 14:58 UTC (Thu)
by geert (subscriber, #98403)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 16:28 UTC (Thu)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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They mess about with a lot of stuff, and commercial DVDs won't copy - I've tried.
Cheers,
Posted Nov 12, 2020 18:57 UTC (Thu)
by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106)
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Posted Nov 15, 2020 4:41 UTC (Sun)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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If the encryption just stopped you from playing the DVD, I don't think DMCA would have much to say about it.
What takes most people by surprise about DMCA is that if you circumvent the encryption just to play the DVD, not to copy it, you're still in violation of the DMCA, because you are circumventing a technological measure that also prevents copying.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 6:12 UTC (Sun)
by nybble41 (subscriber, #55106)
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The encryption doesn't prevent you from making a copy of the (still encrypted) content of the DVD on a flash drive. It only prevents you from playing the video from that copy, since it would need to be decrypted first. The only official, licensed systems that can decrypt the DVD content for playback will not accept encrypted input from a flash drive, only from commercial DVDs, so having a bit-for-bit copy of an encrypted DVD on a flash drive doesn't help. Still, CSS would be more accurately classified as protection against unauthorized *playback* rather than unauthorized *copying*.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 17:45 UTC (Sun)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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I think I could make a case that the content protected by copyright is the movie, not the bits. A copy of encrypted bits that can't be played is not a copy of a movie, so encryption is a device that prevents copying.
Sometimes engineers, with their view inside the machine, have a rather different perspective on copyright law than authors and copiers.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 18:25 UTC (Sun)
by geert (subscriber, #98403)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 16:26 UTC (Thu)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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Until Parliament legally sanctioned copying that sort of stuff for personal purposes, it was illegal. "fair use" is something that doesn't exist in Berne, so that was no use ...
Cheers,
Posted Nov 12, 2020 17:22 UTC (Thu)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 17:29 UTC (Thu)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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And I did say *I* couldn't copy a CD ... :-)
The "unread comments" page does rather hide context ... :-(
Cheers,
Posted Nov 12, 2020 21:01 UTC (Thu)
by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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There is an option (which I use) to include the parent comment of any new comment thread for at least some context.
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Posted Nov 12, 2020 22:16 UTC (Thu)
by ldearquer (guest, #137451)
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OK, that explains a lot to an ignorant folk like myself.
Does it mean, in US, it is not legal to - just saying - record with a camera whatever is being played on your own TV set, on your own home, through your paid subscription or whatever, to keep a copy for yourself?
To me it sounds like forbidding nose picking :)
Posted Nov 12, 2020 22:55 UTC (Thu)
by himi (subscriber, #340)
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As the experience with CSS on DVDs demonstrates, it doesn't even have to be an effective mechanism, and it doesn't have to give any consideration to other parts of copyright law which might make it entirely legal to work around the mechanism - basically, they can take you to court and demand large sums of money (based on penalties intended to deter commercial pirates), and you then have to make a positive case to justify your particular personal use case.
Posted Nov 13, 2020 2:56 UTC (Fri)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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What they _can_ do is suing the software publisher that created the tools to work around CSS.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 23:23 UTC (Sun)
by himi (subscriber, #340)
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The current state of the law is quite significantly different to what it was back in the early 2000s, not because of amendments to the written law, but due to the build up of case law and precedent.
Posted Nov 16, 2020 8:39 UTC (Mon)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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The key change AFAICT (and I'm not a lawyer, nor based in the USA, so take this with a pinch of salt) is that case law has established that you need to show that damage exists before you can choose between actual damages and statutory damages. Statutory damages exist in US law to cover the case where the actual damages are hard to establish (pirates don't keep the greatest records), and it was a stretch to have them cover cases where no actual damages existed.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 5:05 UTC (Sun)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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The "fair use" exception for making copies for personal use is for making an additional copy of something of which you already own a copy. It doesn't cover creating a copy from a public performance. (It wouldn't cover making a copy of a friend's DVD for your own personal use either).
A famous court case shortly after the invention of the home video recorder tested the limits of that restriction and resulted in a ruling that you can't record a TV program even if you're just going to watch it once the next day and then delete the copy.
Posted Nov 15, 2020 5:48 UTC (Sun)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Nov 15, 2020 17:32 UTC (Sun)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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You know, I read that Wikipedia article just before posting and between then and when I hit publish, I forgot the result of the case.
Good thing it does not disturb my main point, since the only reason that case went to the Supreme Court is that recording TV broadcasts generally isn't allowed.
Posted Nov 12, 2020 22:07 UTC (Thu)
by ldearquer (guest, #137451)
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Posted Nov 13, 2020 0:20 UTC (Fri)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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To me, "redistribution" means giving copies to friends etc. They don't have the original (I do), so those copies are illegal!
If I have both the original and the copies (the only legal possibility), then that's not redistribution! And if I give the original away, I have to destroy the copies as they are no longer legal.
Cheers,
Posted Nov 13, 2020 11:56 UTC (Fri)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Here in Germany we get to give an (unspecified) limited number of copies of music CDs we own to friends and family (not random strangers). In theory there's a surcharge on CD-ROM burners and blanks that is distributed to the artists, composers, music publishers etc. as compensation.
Posted Nov 13, 2020 12:54 UTC (Fri)
by anton (subscriber, #25547)
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Posted Nov 13, 2020 14:48 UTC (Fri)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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AFAIR the GEMA surcharge on CD-ROM media applied to “audio-quality” CD-ROM blanks (which are otherwise identical to standard CD-ROM blanks). I don't think anyone uses these any longer.
Historically, CD-ROM blanks were not exclusively used for copyrighted music – when the idea was new, CD-ROMs were popular as backup media, for sharing family photographs with relatives or sending them off to be printed, etc., and people reasonably objected to having to pay GEMA for the privilege of storing their own stuff on their own CD-ROM blanks.
Posted Nov 13, 2020 17:07 UTC (Fri)
by jem (subscriber, #24231)
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I'm not German, but this Wikipedia article lists surcharges on DVD media, external hard drives, MP3 players, PCs, Mobile phones, set-top boxes, scanners and printers, etc. This is a bureaucratic system, and unfair to users which don't use these products for storing copyrighted material. The system also doesn't make sense with dwindling prices per gigabyte on external media. If the charge is ~2 cents per gigabyte for CD-R, then, for the same price per byte, it ought to be 200 € for a 10 TB hard drive. How about 20000 € for some future 1 PB media? Should cloud storage also be affected? The same system was also used in Finland until the end of 2014, at which point it was abandoned completely.
Posted Nov 13, 2020 14:18 UTC (Fri)
by ldearquer (guest, #137451)
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That was my whole point. I see I failed to word it properly :)
I was saying, I always thought the copyright law is all about distributing copies. Once you have an original, you can *not* make copies and distribute them. But you can make (private) copies and keep them for yourself (for your car, etc).
So, you can make copies, but not distribute them
So I thought youtube-dl use was OK as long as I don't make copies and distribute them. Because I was not aware of further restrictions imposed by DCMA.
Posted Nov 13, 2020 19:04 UTC (Fri)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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That's why things like software licences appeared - so people could legally run their programs. And all the exemptions about personal copies.
The DMCA was an attempt to criminalise what was already illegal - making unauthorised copies of commercial DVDs. (Made all the more complicated by the American concept of "fair use" and people saying "making backups is fair use".)
Cheers,
Posted Nov 13, 2020 22:37 UTC (Fri)
by ldearquer (guest, #137451)
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s/copyright law/status quo of copyright law plus applicable private copies exeptions (existent in most jurisdictions)/
Posted Nov 15, 2020 15:32 UTC (Sun)
by ceplm (subscriber, #41334)
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You get sued as long as RIAA decides they don’t like you. And who has more money to pay lawyers, you or RIAA?
Posted Nov 12, 2020 10:29 UTC (Thu)
by jnareb (subscriber, #46500)
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No. Somebody uploaded a clone of the youtube-dl repository and referenced its HEAD in an issue on the DMCA repository, which makes that specific reference from the global object storage available through the "victim" repository. This meant you could checkout the master branch of the youtube-dl repository like this:
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git clone -n https://github.com/github/dmca.git youtube-dl && \
cd youtube-dl && \
git fetch origin 416da574ec0df3388f652e44f7fe71b1e3a4701f && \
git checkout FETCH_HEAD
They finally fixed that on October 28th, though.
fatal: remote error: upload-pack: not our ref 416da574ec0df3388f652e44f7fe71b1e3a4701f
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https://github.com/forgefed/forgefed
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https://github.com/cryptix/git-remote-ipfs
https://github.com/monadic-xyz/ipfs
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> What I can't do is buy a CD, put it in my library, and make a copy of it for my car so that if my car gets broken in to I don't lose the original.
Actually it's perfectly legal to make a copy of a CD for personal, non-commercial use. Even the RIAA says so. This is long-established.
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So that's what prevents making a physical copy, but what prevents you from making a usable copy of the content on a flash drive or whatever is the encryption. That's the technological measure you have to circumvent to make that kind of copy.
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Well played ;-)
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Though note that DMCA 1201-like provisions exist in most countries now: see our blog post "the Github youtube-dl takedown isn't just a problem of American law".
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No, you cannot legally make a copy of a TV broadcast under US copyright law, even for personal use.
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You absolutely can. Time-shifting was ruled legal by the SCOTUS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_shifting#History_in_th...
I stand corrected, and thank you for the correction.
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Granted this exception may not be common across jurisdictions.
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To me, "redistribution" means giving copies to friends etc. They don't have the original (I do), so those copies are illegal!
The surcharge is reality, and we also pay it on hard disks, printers and probably many other things. And your GEMA and our AKM gets the money (based on the theory that they represent all the authors, artists, etc.) and distributes some of it to its members.
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