Renaming openSUSE
Creating a foundation
At the 2019 openSUSE Conference, the openSUSE board discussed governance options at length. There will evidently be an official statement on its conclusions in the near future, but that has not been posted as of this writing. It would appear, though, that the board chose a foundation structure over the other options. A German registered association (e. V.) would have been easier to set up than a foundation, but an association has weaker restrictions so it could potentially shift its focus away from the openSUSE mission. Joining another umbrella group seemingly lacked appeal from the beginning, as did the option of doing nothing and leaving things as they are now.
The stated purpose of the foundation is to make it easier for openSUSE to accept donations and manage its own finances β things that are hard for the project to do now. The foundation structure, in particular, allows the project to enshrine its core objectives (such as support for free software) into the DNA of the organization, making it hard to divert the foundation toward some other goal. A foundation also allows openSUSE to retain its current governing board and membership structure.
In the absence of an official statement from the board, details on the decision and the reasoning behind it can be had by watching this YouTube video of a question-and-answer session with the board at the openSUSE Conference.
One motivation for the change that wasn't highlighted in the board session, but which was an undercurrent in the discussions leading up to it, is a desire for more independence from SUSE in general driven by concerns about what the company might do in the future. Such worries are not entirely irrational, even though by all accounts SUSE management is fully supportive of openSUSE now. A company's attitude can change quickly even in the absence of external events like a change of ownership. If SUSE were to be sold yet again, the new owners could take a rather dimmer view of the openSUSE project.
Time for a new name?
Such worries seem to be a key driver of the next possible change for the project: as initially proposed by Stasiek Michalski, the newly independent openSUSE project might well change its name, its logo, or both. It goes without saying, though, that there is no consensus behind any such change at this early stage.
The primary motivation for a name change is, as described
by openSUSE board chair Richard Brown, trademarks. Since "openSUSE"
contains "SUSE", the company will have to retain a significant amount of
control over what the foundation can do with its own name, which
"makes such things rather complicated
". He later added:
If openSUSE keeps its current name, I would be absolutely shocked if we manage the form the Foundation under the name "openSUSE" without significant additional restrictions atop of the status quo.
One other consequence of the current trademark situation, Brown said, is
that the
openSUSE board spends a significant amount of its time dealing with
trademark issues, to the detriment of the rest of the project. In the
future, he
said, trademark restrictions could limit how the project could market
itself, "and Marketing is an area which I think everyone would say we
should be expanding upon, not limiting ourselves
". For these
reasons, Brown is in favor of picking a new name as the new foundation is
created.
Others agreed, and supplied some additional reasons; Alberto
Planas Domingue, for example, argued that a new
name would allow the project to cast off an (in his view) reputation as a
"traditional distribution
" and highlight the interesting new
technology that it is built around now. Jim Henderson added that
there is a fair amount of confusion among users about the distinction
between the SUSE Linux
Enterprise and openSUSE distributions; a name change could help to clear
that up.
Unsurprisingly, others feel that a name change would be a bad idea. Board
member Simon Lees, for example, pointed
out that SUSE has given the board "quite some guarantee
"
that the project would be able to use the openSUSE name for as long as it
needs to. Should the relationship with the company deteriorate, the project
will have time to consider a name change, and the additional press that
would result from such a situation would be helpful in establishing the new
name.
Others agreed with that position and added to it. Sarah Julia Kriesch argued
that openSUSE is a well-known name that should not be discarded without a
reason. Ancor Gonzalez Sosa said
that a name change now would give the impression of a bad breakup with
SUSE, which is not the case. Michal Kubecek worried that a
renamed openSUSE would become "Yet Another Linux
Distribution
"; the Fedora
project, he said, suffered from its name change. Marcus Meissner said that a
name change would cause the distribution to lose many of its users:
"The brand is the most important part on keeping the distribution
alive. Throwing it away means throwing the distribution away,
sorry.
" Robert Schweikert said
that the project lacks the funding to make a name change stick, and said
that such a change is unnecessary if the primary objective of the
foundation really is to make financial matters easier to deal with.
No consensus
The discussion has been remarkably civil for what is an inherently controversial topic β openSUSE seems to be made up of a lot of pleasant and respectful people. Hopefully that atmosphere will sustain itself as the discussion drags out and eventually comes to a vote. There is no sign of an emerging consensus at this point; a decision might eventually have to be made without one. However it happens, it is likely to take time, and the project is likely to continue to use the openSUSE name for years even if a name change happens. As Brown put it:
For what it's worth, changing the logo seems to be rather less controversial β though some community members are adamant that the green color should be retained. A separate discussion, along with a possible replacement, can be found on this issue-tracker page.
One interesting aspect of this discussion is that at no point has anybody
suggested a replacement name; if the people behind the proposal have one in
mind, they are keeping it to themselves for now. That would be wise; a
decision like this is hard enough without the additional complication of
picking a new name at the same time. Should it come to a name change,
though, expect another thread as the community works out what the new name
should be.
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Posted Jun 6, 2019 17:00 UTC (Thu)
by jimbo (subscriber, #6689)
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How about following the approach Fedora took with the "...Hat" thing?
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Posted Jun 6, 2019 17:22 UTC (Thu)
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by naptastic (guest, #60139)
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Posted Jun 6, 2019 18:08 UTC (Thu)
by jorgegv (subscriber, #60484)
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Gecko Project/Foundation/Whatever...?
Posted Jun 6, 2019 19:49 UTC (Thu)
by juliank (guest, #45896)
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Posted Jun 6, 2019 20:52 UTC (Thu)
by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118)
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by atai (subscriber, #10977)
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by tonyblackwell (guest, #43641)
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Posted Jun 9, 2019 1:44 UTC (Sun)
by pr1268 (guest, #24648)
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"Gecko" might confuse people into thinking it's a car insurance company.
Posted Jun 13, 2019 5:57 UTC (Thu)
by eru (subscriber, #2753)
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Posted Jun 7, 2019 12:20 UTC (Fri)
by jlayton (subscriber, #31672)
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Posted Jun 6, 2019 21:39 UTC (Thu)
by admalledd (subscriber, #95347)
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Clearly whichever decision comes out of this, the bike shed is certainly to be green right?
(My 2c is that I don't know if there is much care if the foundation has any naming relation to the distribution it is maintaining, and that keeping the distro name is fine.)
Posted Jun 7, 2019 9:31 UTC (Fri)
by NAR (subscriber, #1313)
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Did the LibreOffice name catch up? According to googlefight, OpenOffice is still leading 200:30 against LibreOffice. In fairness, that was more than a name change, but still it shows the huge inertia of changing names.
Posted Jun 12, 2019 12:30 UTC (Wed)
by jasoneckert (guest, #132594)
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Posted Nov 10, 2019 19:40 UTC (Sun)
by ceplm (subscriber, #41334)
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Posted Nov 10, 2019 20:23 UTC (Sun)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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Then follow the pattern set by IntelliJ for Java products; ESUSJ looks as reasonable as any other Java thing to meβ¦
Posted Nov 10, 2019 21:36 UTC (Sun)
by ceplm (subscriber, #41334)
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by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844)
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Posted Jun 13, 2019 12:45 UTC (Thu)
by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164)
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Of course, in reality, something like Google Trends is more important, as that shows current search volume without taking that old content into account that much. There LibreOffice has decidedly won, but it did take 5 years...
Posted Jun 13, 2019 12:53 UTC (Thu)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Only because Openoffice still exists and that website does not talk about LibreOffice at all of course. If Openoffice website was simply a redirect with a quick blurb that points to LibreOffice, it wouldn't take anywhere near as much time for the new name to catch up. Now this isn't to say that existing branding doesn't have value and you should simply throw it away. It needs careful consideration but Openoffice isn't quite a good comparison point. Phoenix -> Firebird -> Firefox or even Sodipodi -> Inkscape might be. The old names very quickly faded away and practically noone cares about the old names or even remembers them anymore.
Posted Jun 7, 2019 13:47 UTC (Fri)
by mrchapp (guest, #128908)
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by scientes (guest, #83068)
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Posted Jun 7, 2019 14:42 UTC (Fri)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Ok but why? Without any details, this isn't a helpful comment
Posted Jun 7, 2019 19:13 UTC (Fri)
by HenrikH (subscriber, #31152)
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Posted Jun 8, 2019 10:09 UTC (Sat)
by jimbo (subscriber, #6689)
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the.os
Have a great W/E
Posted Jun 8, 2019 10:44 UTC (Sat)
by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844)
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You might instead use existing TLDs. ubuntu.rehab is going for cheap, as is archlinux.rocks. If your pockets are deep and you feel nostalgic for Apple's big cat naming scheme, you could register mac.os.horse.
Posted Jun 13, 2019 16:47 UTC (Thu)
by Karellen (subscriber, #67644)
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Two letter TLDs are reserved for ISO 3166 country codes. You'll need to create your own country, give it a name where "OS" would be a reasonable abbreviative country code, and apply to ISO to get it recognised/registered. IANA will then contact you (or an appropriate government representative) to arrange for its administration.
Posted Jun 13, 2019 18:00 UTC (Thu)
by excors (subscriber, #95769)
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by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987)
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Posted Jun 11, 2019 12:35 UTC (Tue)
by bmwiedemann (subscriber, #71319)
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Have some $GreenChameleonSoftware Foundation and if/when needed, the distributions can still be rebranded.
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os.os
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