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Renaming openSUSE

By Jonathan Corbet
June 6, 2019
In mid-May, LWN reported on the discussions in the openSUSE project over whether a separation from SUSE would be a good move. It would appear that this issue has been resolved and that openSUSE will be setting up a foundation as its new home independent of the SUSE corporation. But now the community has been overtaken by a new, related discussion that demonstrates a characteristic of free-software projects: the hardest issues are usually related to naming.

Creating a foundation

At the 2019 openSUSE Conference, the openSUSE board discussed governance options at length. There will evidently be an official statement on its conclusions in the near future, but that has not been posted as of this writing. It would appear, though, that the board chose a foundation structure over the other options. A German registered association (e. V.) would have been easier to set up than a foundation, but an association has weaker restrictions so it could potentially shift its focus away from the openSUSE mission. Joining another umbrella group seemingly lacked appeal from the beginning, as did the option of doing nothing and leaving things as they are now.

The stated purpose of the foundation is to make it easier for openSUSE to accept donations and manage its own finances β€” things that are hard for the project to do now. The foundation structure, in particular, allows the project to enshrine its core objectives (such as support for free software) into the DNA of the organization, making it hard to divert the foundation toward some other goal. A foundation also allows openSUSE to retain its current governing board and membership structure.

In the absence of an official statement from the board, details on the decision and the reasoning behind it can be had by watching this YouTube video of a question-and-answer session with the board at the openSUSE Conference.

One motivation for the change that wasn't highlighted in the board session, but which was an undercurrent in the discussions leading up to it, is a desire for more independence from SUSE in general driven by concerns about what the company might do in the future. Such worries are not entirely irrational, even though by all accounts SUSE management is fully supportive of openSUSE now. A company's attitude can change quickly even in the absence of external events like a change of ownership. If SUSE were to be sold yet again, the new owners could take a rather dimmer view of the openSUSE project.

Time for a new name?

Such worries seem to be a key driver of the next possible change for the project: as initially proposed by Stasiek Michalski, the newly independent openSUSE project might well change its name, its logo, or both. It goes without saying, though, that there is no consensus behind any such change at this early stage.

The primary motivation for a name change is, as described by openSUSE board chair Richard Brown, trademarks. Since "openSUSE" contains "SUSE", the company will have to retain a significant amount of control over what the foundation can do with its own name, which "makes such things rather complicated". He later added:

Even without a legal entity, openSUSE already operates with significant constraints around the use of its name, which you can see in our Trademark Policy and the examples I gave in my post.

If openSUSE keeps its current name, I would be absolutely shocked if we manage the form the Foundation under the name "openSUSE" without significant additional restrictions atop of the status quo.

One other consequence of the current trademark situation, Brown said, is that the openSUSE board spends a significant amount of its time dealing with trademark issues, to the detriment of the rest of the project. In the future, he said, trademark restrictions could limit how the project could market itself, "and Marketing is an area which I think everyone would say we should be expanding upon, not limiting ourselves". For these reasons, Brown is in favor of picking a new name as the new foundation is created.

Others agreed, and supplied some additional reasons; Alberto Planas Domingue, for example, argued that a new name would allow the project to cast off an (in his view) reputation as a "traditional distribution" and highlight the interesting new technology that it is built around now. Jim Henderson added that there is a fair amount of confusion among users about the distinction between the SUSE Linux Enterprise and openSUSE distributions; a name change could help to clear that up.

Unsurprisingly, others feel that a name change would be a bad idea. Board member Simon Lees, for example, pointed out that SUSE has given the board "quite some guarantee" that the project would be able to use the openSUSE name for as long as it needs to. Should the relationship with the company deteriorate, the project will have time to consider a name change, and the additional press that would result from such a situation would be helpful in establishing the new name.

Others agreed with that position and added to it. Sarah Julia Kriesch argued that openSUSE is a well-known name that should not be discarded without a reason. Ancor Gonzalez Sosa said that a name change now would give the impression of a bad breakup with SUSE, which is not the case. Michal Kubecek worried that a renamed openSUSE would become "Yet Another Linux Distribution"; the Fedora project, he said, suffered from its name change. Marcus Meissner said that a name change would cause the distribution to lose many of its users: "The brand is the most important part on keeping the distribution alive. Throwing it away means throwing the distribution away, sorry." Robert Schweikert said that the project lacks the funding to make a name change stick, and said that such a change is unnecessary if the primary objective of the foundation really is to make financial matters easier to deal with.

No consensus

The discussion has been remarkably civil for what is an inherently controversial topic β€” openSUSE seems to be made up of a lot of pleasant and respectful people. Hopefully that atmosphere will sustain itself as the discussion drags out and eventually comes to a vote. There is no sign of an emerging consensus at this point; a decision might eventually have to be made without one. However it happens, it is likely to take time, and the project is likely to continue to use the openSUSE name for years even if a name change happens. As Brown put it:

If we change the name, I'd expect the "<insert name here> Foundation" would have some agreement with SUSE to continue using the openSUSE Marks for the purposes of a smooth transition. This is the kind of decision that may take weeks or months to agree upon, but could take years to fully implement.

For what it's worth, changing the logo seems to be rather less controversial β€” though some community members are adamant that the green color should be retained. A separate discussion, along with a possible replacement, can be found on this issue-tracker page.

One interesting aspect of this discussion is that at no point has anybody suggested a replacement name; if the people behind the proposal have one in mind, they are keeping it to themselves for now. That would be wise; a decision like this is hard enough without the additional complication of picking a new name at the same time. Should it come to a name change, though, expect another thread as the community works out what the new name should be.


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Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 16:52 UTC (Thu) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link] (1 responses)

I am kind of fond of "Yet Another Linux Foundation" as a thing. YALF presents YALD which comes with YaST .

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 11, 2019 12:38 UTC (Tue) by geekishmatt (guest, #132571) [Link]

I'd suggest Anole / Anoli

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 17:00 UTC (Thu) by jimbo (subscriber, #6689) [Link] (13 responses)

How about following the approach Fedora took with the "...Hat" thing?

Something a little chameleonic perhaps?

I have admired for a long time the professional-quality tools and the wide choice of software on openSUSE, and wish the community well in its efforts to find a new identity.
--
J

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 17:22 UTC (Thu) by atai (subscriber, #10977) [Link] (3 responses)

EINS is not SUSE

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 20:09 UTC (Fri) by tome (subscriber, #3171) [Link]

I second that.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 8, 2019 13:49 UTC (Sat) by pixelpapst (guest, #55301) [Link] (1 responses)

"Eins" is the German word for one, so registration of an "EINS Foundation" would be unlikely to be accepted by the court of law.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 16, 2019 5:19 UTC (Sun) by naptastic (guest, #60139) [Link]

EINS GNU/Linux Foundation?

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 18:08 UTC (Thu) by jorgegv (subscriber, #60484) [Link] (7 responses)

RedHat is to Fedora the same as SuSE is to... Gecko?

Gecko Project/Foundation/Whatever...?

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 19:49 UTC (Thu) by juliank (guest, #45896) [Link] (3 responses)

Dont let mozilla hear that.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 20:52 UTC (Thu) by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118) [Link] (2 responses)

The guys who named web browser "Phoenix"? And when BIOS manufacturer complained, renamed the browser to "Firebird" (as in database)? Yeah, they are great when it comes to non-conflicting names.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 8, 2019 0:36 UTC (Sat) by atai (subscriber, #10977) [Link]

Look, good names are finite resources

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 10, 2019 21:23 UTC (Mon) by tonyblackwell (guest, #43641) [Link]

Whoever would have anticipated Mandrake linux being sued by a comic book company (if I recall correctly...)

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 20:50 UTC (Thu) by comio (guest, #115526) [Link]

Chamaleon

Don't use "Gecko"

Posted Jun 9, 2019 1:44 UTC (Sun) by pr1268 (guest, #24648) [Link]

"Gecko" might confuse people into thinking it's a car insurance company.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 13, 2019 5:57 UTC (Thu) by eru (subscriber, #2753) [Link]

A change to fix their zoology. A chameleon is a quite different animal from a gecko, yet the mascot is called "geeko".

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 12:20 UTC (Fri) by jlayton (subscriber, #31672) [Link]

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 6, 2019 21:39 UTC (Thu) by admalledd (subscriber, #95347) [Link]

>The hardest issues are usually related to naming.

Clearly whichever decision comes out of this, the bike shed is certainly to be green right?

(My 2c is that I don't know if there is much care if the foundation has any naming relation to the distribution it is maintaining, and that keeping the distro name is fine.)

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 9:31 UTC (Fri) by NAR (subscriber, #1313) [Link] (8 responses)

"The brand is the most important part on keeping the distribution alive. Throwing it away means throwing the distribution away, sorry."

Did the LibreOffice name catch up? According to googlefight, OpenOffice is still leading 200:30 against LibreOffice. In fairness, that was more than a name change, but still it shows the huge inertia of changing names.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 12, 2019 12:30 UTC (Wed) by jasoneckert (guest, #132594) [Link] (4 responses)

What about SUSE backwards, or ESUS - it preserves the original brand in a fun way that will likely catch on quickly. It's also the name of a Celtic god.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Nov 10, 2019 19:40 UTC (Sun) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (3 responses)

You know there will be a Java version of that distro, right? What then?

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Nov 10, 2019 20:23 UTC (Sun) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link] (2 responses)

Then follow the pattern set by IntelliJ for Java products; ESUSJ looks as reasonable as any other Java thing to me…

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Nov 10, 2019 21:36 UTC (Sun) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (1 responses)

Some would put that J to the other end.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Nov 11, 2019 12:21 UTC (Mon) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

It's at the beginning (in the byte sequence). The actual name uses the RTL code point so that it is just rendered in reverse. ;)

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 12, 2019 13:27 UTC (Wed) by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844) [Link] (2 responses)

These are not entirely equivalent cases. OpenOffice still exists (barely), competes with LibreOffice, and its website makes no mention of LibreOffice. In contrast, if openSUSE were to change its name, the foundation would make the old publicity material redirect to the new version.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 13, 2019 12:45 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link] (1 responses)

Mwah, still, HUGE amounts of content still point to openSUSE, talk to openSUSE etc etc etc. And at least in Google Fight, that matters.

Of course, in reality, something like Google Trends is more important, as that shows current search volume without taking that old content into account that much. There LibreOffice has decidedly won, but it did take 5 years...

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 13, 2019 12:53 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> There LibreOffice has decidedly won, but it did take 5 years...

Only because Openoffice still exists and that website does not talk about LibreOffice at all of course. If Openoffice website was simply a redirect with a quick blurb that points to LibreOffice, it wouldn't take anywhere near as much time for the new name to catch up. Now this isn't to say that existing branding doesn't have value and you should simply throw it away. It needs careful consideration but Openoffice isn't quite a good comparison point. Phoenix -> Firebird -> Firefox or even Sodipodi -> Inkscape might be. The old names very quickly faded away and practically noone cares about the old names or even remembers them anymore.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 13:47 UTC (Fri) by mrchapp (guest, #128908) [Link]

Just call it SESUopen.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 14:20 UTC (Fri) by scientes (guest, #83068) [Link] (1 responses)

Ok, I read LWN for the high quality, but not sure about this one.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 14:42 UTC (Fri) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> Ok, I read LWN for the high quality, but not sure about this one.

Ok but why? Without any details, this isn't a helpful comment

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 7, 2019 19:13 UTC (Fri) by HenrikH (subscriber, #31152) [Link] (4 responses)

Perhaps go the megalomaniac route and name is just "oS". Not Google friendly but...

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 8, 2019 10:09 UTC (Sat) by jimbo (subscriber, #6689) [Link] (3 responses)

... for true megalomania, why not reserve the .OS top-level domain - apparently not taken according to wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Internet_top-level_...) and then set up your DNS to include some "interesting" CNAMEs

the.os
rules.os
os.os
opensuse.os
best-ever.os

Have a great W/E
--
J

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 8, 2019 10:44 UTC (Sat) by karkhaz (subscriber, #99844) [Link]

You might instead use existing TLDs. ubuntu.rehab is going for cheap, as is archlinux.rocks.

If your pockets are deep and you feel nostalgic for Apple's big cat naming scheme, you could register mac.os.horse.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 13, 2019 16:47 UTC (Thu) by Karellen (subscriber, #67644) [Link] (1 responses)

Two letter TLDs are reserved for ISO 3166 country codes.

You'll need to create your own country, give it a name where "OS" would be a reasonable abbreviative country code, and apply to ISO to get it recognised/registered. IANA will then contact you (or an appropriate government representative) to arrange for its administration.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 13, 2019 18:00 UTC (Thu) by excors (subscriber, #95769) [Link]

Apparently there was a surprisingly successful Republic of Ossola in northern Italy, which survived for 43 days during WW2 (https://www.visitossola.it/en/poi/partisan-republic-of-os...). Perhaps you could go there and stoke a new independence movement, and once it succeeds and secedes and receives international recognition you could use its .os TLD.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 10, 2019 19:10 UTC (Mon) by KaiRo (subscriber, #1987) [Link] (1 responses)

IMHO, the clever thing would be to register the foundation with a name that would wirj well for the distro but keep openSUSE as the distro name right now. That way, if a switch would become necessary in the future, a good number of people will already recognize the foundation-established new brand.

Renaming openSUSE

Posted Jun 11, 2019 12:35 UTC (Tue) by bmwiedemann (subscriber, #71319) [Link]

I agree this is the most sensible way forward.

Have some $GreenChameleonSoftware Foundation and if/when needed, the distributions can still be rebranded.


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