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Aieee!

Posted Dec 10, 2009 0:56 UTC (Thu) by gdt (subscriber, #6284)
In reply to: Aieee! by larryr
Parent article: Thunderbird 3.0 released

I share your pain. I've got all of my mail since 1985 in IMAP folders and it just tried to download it all to my EeePC, without even asking. All I wanted to do was to view the head of my INBOX.

The Thunderbird developers seem to assume you want to read mail from just one device, which isn't true in this age of netbooks, smart phones, ... Just as the technologies are changing to suit IMAP's strengths, one of the best IMAP clients moves to using IMAP as though it was POP from ten years ago.

If IMAP lacks a fuzzy search, then add it to the protocol. Don't invite the worst of all world's by making the client compensate for the shortcoming in the protocol.

Needless Forks

Posted Dec 10, 2009 0:49 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: Needless Forks by marcH
Parent article: Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package

Yet, that is what is happening a lot more than before. The problem is not that distributions do not care about it (although the level will vary) but a lot of upstream projects have historically ignored this problem. Projects like GTK have been exceptions. A lot of base platform libraries are adopting a saner model (as defined in http://www106.pair.com/rhp/parallel.html) over time and distributions will naturally inherit this trait. The alternative is just sticking to a base version and backporting which has its own tradeoffs.

Not saying it's right, but..

Posted Dec 10, 2009 0:44 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
In reply to: Not saying it's right, but.. by alankila
Parent article: Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package

RHEL also has a "stable kernel ABI" essentially because it is the same base kernel with backported patches till the end of the release.

Needless Forks

Posted Dec 10, 2009 0:16 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
In reply to: Needless Forks by mpr22
Parent article: Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package

Even on an underlying OS that actually cares about stability you can still find some independent developers doing "the wrong thing". So guess how much chance there is of independent developers ever relying on system librairies provided by Linux distributions which do not care about stability at all? None.

First Mobile Firefox enters home stretch (cnet)

Posted Dec 9, 2009 23:35 UTC (Wed) by Los__D (guest, #15263)
Parent article: First Mobile Firefox enters home stretch (cnet)

I tried it on a N900, and while it seems like a nice browser, it is super slow, especially compared to the std. maemo browser (also Gecko based). I don't know if it's that system, but if not, Fennec is definitely not ready for prime time.

TB3 is better for me

Posted Dec 9, 2009 22:32 UTC (Wed) by bojan (subscriber, #14302)
In reply to: TB3 is better for me by kfiles
Parent article: Thunderbird 3.0 released

> MAPI/OWA support is nonexistent in TB (AFAIK).

Yeah, that was my point (I was being sarcastic).

> So I use IMAP instead.

Well, yeah, if Exchange admins in your organisation are willing to do this. But what if they are not? What if company policy forbids this? There are many large organisations where things like that are simply not done. Linux users then have to use OWA (if that happens to be enabled, which is also not always the case) or better, MAPI. Sure, there are problems with MAPI support right now, but they are getting fixed (http://git.gnome.org/cgit/evolution-mapi). I reckon in about 2 releases from now it will be usable.

Debian Lenny

Posted Dec 9, 2009 21:51 UTC (Wed) by oak (guest, #2786)
In reply to: Debian Lenny by martinfick
Parent article: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released

> Do you really think page loads are that affected by drivers?

Has Kwin compositing always enabled? That would slow down things.

TB3 is better for me

Posted Dec 9, 2009 21:50 UTC (Wed) by endecotp (guest, #36428)
In reply to: TB3 is better for me by dlang
Parent article: Thunderbird 3.0 released

> what is it that you want to do in a search that IMAP does not support?

I want to "google my email", i.e. I want to type "patagonia mountain photo" and have it find messages that contain those two words in the subject or the body, with exact matches first and more imprecise matches later (e.g. "photos of mountains in Patagonia"). The IMAP search command does not, IIRC, offer a syntax for an "imprecise search", and (again IIRC) it doesn't have a way to rank the results by the quality of the match.

Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

Posted Dec 9, 2009 21:43 UTC (Wed) by ncm (guest, #165)
In reply to: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation by ledow
Parent article: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

What gets you are the things you think you know that ain't really so.

It's deeply significant that R. left that one out.

Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package

Posted Dec 9, 2009 20:55 UTC (Wed) by leoc (guest, #39773)
In reply to: Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package by robilad
Parent article: Callaway: Chromium: Why it isn't in Fedora yet as a proper package

How many of those "apps" are anything other than a launcher for a web link? Also, as was pointed out in this item, the vast majority of available apps in the app store (as in 80% to 90%) are not really even maintained any longer. Considering the level of unprecedented hype that the iPhone and app store have received, you would expect the tail on this graph to be a little less flat.

Ignoring things like application size and complexity, duplication of function, actual level of use, end user quality, and the heavy hand of Apple censorship makes your argument about it somehow being a model to 'copy' specious at best. If any Linux distribution ever does consider adopting such a broken and anti-developer model, I'd keep away from it with a 20 foot pole.

A look at Qt 4.6

Posted Dec 9, 2009 20:21 UTC (Wed) by wesmo (guest, #50706)
Parent article: A look at Qt 4.6

Qt will also become the standard app development environment in Symbian^4.

answering own comment :)

Posted Dec 9, 2009 20:19 UTC (Wed) by tokiko (guest, #21085)
In reply to: Threads by tokiko
Parent article: Thunderbird 3.0 released

View -> Sort By -> Threaded

Threads

Posted Dec 9, 2009 20:13 UTC (Wed) by tokiko (guest, #21085)
Parent article: Thunderbird 3.0 released

Still no threaded list view.

Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

Posted Dec 9, 2009 19:54 UTC (Wed) by andrel (guest, #5166)
In reply to: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation by HelloWorld
Parent article: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

There are well established statistical techniques for estimating unknowns such as population size. One could use them to estimate the odds of a violation being detected.

Due diligence

Posted Dec 9, 2009 19:54 UTC (Wed) by dmarti (subscriber, #11625)
In reply to: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation by ledow
Parent article: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

There are violations that only come up in due diligence when a software company gets acquired. (There are services around this process, such as Black Duck's: Mergers and Acquisitions Require Technical Due Diligence.) Those violations get settled quietly, but what about all the companies that don't get acquired? Their "proprietary" code is likely full of cut-and-paste problems.

Why Open Source Phones Still Fail (PC Magazine)

Posted Dec 9, 2009 19:35 UTC (Wed) by nevets (subscriber, #11875)
In reply to: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail (PC Magazine) by martinfick
Parent article: Why Open Source Phones Still Fail (PC Magazine)

but it really is cultural, most people here like it that way.

Yes it is cultural, but it is not because people like it that way. It is because they don't know of any other way.

I lived in Germany for three years. I bought a pre pay phone from ePlus and had it unlocked after two years of service. I sometimes use it in the US with AT&T, since the phone is pretty rugged.

The biggest difference between US and Germany to me is that in Germany (and perhaps all of Europe) you don't pay anything to receive a call or text. But in the US you do. I did notice that it costs more to call a cell over a land line in Germany, thus I guess the cost just goes to the caller. I like it better that way. I had to change my plan to unlimited texts because I could not control the number of texts that people would send me.

Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

Posted Dec 9, 2009 18:56 UTC (Wed) by ledow (guest, #11753)
In reply to: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation by rahulsundaram
Parent article: Kuhn: The Anatomy of a Modern GPL Violation

There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.

:-)

KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released

Posted Dec 9, 2009 18:47 UTC (Wed) by JoeF (guest, #4486)
In reply to: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released by halla
Parent article: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released

Ok, didn't know that. I take my assertion back, then.
However, applications like Kopete didn't get any updates, like getting it working after Yahoo changed their protocol.

KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released

Posted Dec 9, 2009 18:37 UTC (Wed) by JoeF (guest, #4486)
In reply to: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released by kragil
Parent article: KDE Software Compilation 4.4 Beta1 Released

Is that Adi dude even KDE? IDK and it is not like people are always super friendly and caring on the LKML either
I don't know if that person is a KDE developer, but aseigo is and he wasn't much friendlier, either: "how disengenous to the point of dishonesty"...
As far as the tone on LKML, that's a developer mailing list. LWN certainly is not targeting developers in particular.
And the issue with niceness has nothing to do with being US-based or European-based. I am a European living in the US. If anything, I have seen Europeans being nicer than Americans.

Between Fedora 12 and 13

Posted Dec 9, 2009 18:28 UTC (Wed) by Tet (guest, #5433)
In reply to: Between Fedora 12 and 13 by jspaleta
Parent article: Between Fedora 12 and 13

Bug 533030

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