Oh FFS!

Posted Nov 24, 2024 21:09 UTC (Sun) by viro (subscriber, #7872)
In reply to: Oh FFS! by Cyberax
Parent article: NonStop discussion around adding Rust to Git

I don't know about hippies, but if you are talking about Linux advocates - yes, absolutely. Starting with the regular sight of comp.os.linux.advocacy threads cross-posted to hell and back, unfortunately including c.o.l.development.*, full of the holy warriors with not a single clue between them judging by the quality of information they'd been posting. Gag reflex - you bet.

FWIW, I carefully keep my impression regarding Rust separate from anything induced by Rust advocates/awareness raisers/evangelists/etc. It takes conscious efforts (revulsion tends to spread along the associations), but that's the only way to keep sanity, IME.

Oh FFS!

Posted Nov 25, 2024 6:54 UTC (Mon) by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523) [Link]

I don't mind over-enthusiastic fanboys/fangirls (fanpersons?). They help to move the industry forwards, even if their enthusiasm is often misguided and/or naïve (cue the crypto folks). And sometimes they DO end up being right.

And hey, I do like a good flame once in a while.

Oh FFS!

Posted Nov 25, 2024 8:19 UTC (Mon) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

> FWIW, I carefully keep my impression regarding Rust separate from anything induced by Rust advocates/awareness raisers/evangelists/etc.

That's greatly appreciated. Rust folks don't like the RESF either, and have on multiple occasions said "please stop doing that, it isn't helping".

Oh FFS!

Posted Nov 25, 2024 18:10 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

> FWIW, I carefully keep my impression regarding Rust separate from anything induced by Rust advocates/awareness raisers/evangelists/etc. It takes conscious efforts (revulsion tends to spread along the associations), but that's the only way to keep sanity, IME.

I could only agree with that. What I hate most about fanboys/fangirls (fanpersons?) is their tendency to completely ignore failures of something try try to “promote” – yet the very moment when said failures are overcome they suddenly turn into a selling point.

I'm not capable of doing that. I hated certain decisions that Rust did and still hate some aspects of it, but they fixed it's deficiencies well enough that I have to admit that Rust is currently the best language for low-level work – even in spite of colored functions, lack of reflections, complicated metaprogramming and everything…

Is it perfect? Absolutely not. But exists, it works, it delivers. And I can live with it's deficiencies, even if just barely, in some cases.

But try to tell that to a fanboy/fangirl (fanperson?)! They would immediately tar you with feathers, declare that you don't know enough of the theory to judge that perfect creation, etc.

I, sometimes, feel that fanboys/fangirls (fanpersons?) could be the biggest imediment to the Rust adoption… but the cure is simple: just talk to actual people who develop Rust… these guys and gals very often would accept you complains and would explain why certain things are done in the way you hate… and you may even understand why this or that compromise was made.