Don't get all the hate

Posted Nov 3, 2024 13:49 UTC (Sun) by zack (subscriber, #7062)
In reply to: Don't get all the hate by NYKevin
Parent article: OSI board AMA at All Things Open

Very much that. And this way of debating legitimate policy disagreements (in this case on what "open source AI" means) is making the free software movement weaker against our actual opponents. Meta & friends, who have been calling "open source" AI systems that will never pass the OSAID bar, are eating tons of popcorn while watching this infight, and while lobbying regulators that *their* notion of "open source AI" is the real one. Good luck to us all.

Don't get all the hate

Posted Nov 4, 2024 19:02 UTC (Mon) by lmb (subscriber, #39048) [Link]

I think the observation that there are systems that are proclaimed to be "open" that don't ever meet the OSAID bar is valid.

And yes, OSAID *is* better than nothing.

I disagree with the assessment that this means we should not voice criticism to the term, nor that doing so is harmful.

OSI chose to use a very comprehensive single term with zero differentiation and significantly lower standards. They *could* have done it differently. Same with publishing a definition as "1.0" that actively asks for industry endorsement. But tell me, how would you actually comply with it? Under what terms would you make all that extra info available?

They position themselves as an authority and *the* steward. Their results get evaluated according to those claims, and their actions questioned for potential ulterior motives.

Calling that "infighting" ain't great, when folks see serious possible consequences of what they're pushing out. (e.g., the impact on political regulations.)