Thoughts and clarifications

Posted Sep 16, 2024 11:16 UTC (Mon) by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
In reply to: Thoughts and clarifications by asahilina
Parent article: Whither the Apple AGX graphics driver?

> Rust doesn't directly reduce complexity (the driver has to do what it has to do), but it does handle a lot of error-prone boilerplate for you (for example enforced RAII) and it strongly encourages design that makes it easier to reason about the complexity (separation of concerns/encapsulation). So Rust makes it easier to maintain the complexity, understand it, and avoid bugs caused by it. I'm a lot more comfortable dealing with complex code in Rust than in C.

So in other words "It's a complex problem, but Rust makes it simple to express that complexity"?

I'm just trying to get a handle on where Rust lies on the problem-complexity / language-complexity graph. I'll upset Jon with this, but I hate Relational/SQL because imnsho Relational lies too far on the simplicity side of the graph, so SQL has to lie way over on the complexity side. So in terms of Einstein's "make things as simple as possible, but no simpler", Relational/SQL lies way above the local minimum. Rustaceans probably feel the same is true of C and modern hardware.

Do you feel Rust lies close to the sweet spot of minimal possible complexity? It certainly comes over you find it easy to express the complexity of the hardware.

Cheers,
Wol

Thoughts and clarifications

Posted Sep 16, 2024 11:57 UTC (Mon) by jake (editor, #205) [Link] (1 responses)

> I'll upset Jon with this

Wol, it's more than just Jon who is tired of you bringing up this stuff in every thread, often multiple times, when it is not particularly relevant. Your comments are voluminous, people have complained to you about that and the content of your posts in comments here, and you are one of the most filtered commenters we have. I think you should perhaps reduce your volume of comments and try to ensure that the drum you are banging does not come up everywhere.

just fyi,

jake

Thoughts and clarifications

Posted Sep 16, 2024 12:21 UTC (Mon) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link]

Perhaps putting some stats on "ranking by volume of comments (over the site in last X period, for X in {a, b, c} time|this story)" for a user to that user somewhere would help softly nudge people, where needed, on a self-educating basis?