"Exclusion" doesn't really work in volunteer-based F/OSS settings

Posted Sep 12, 2024 12:24 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: "Exclusion" doesn't really work in volunteer-based F/OSS settings by khim
Parent article: A mess in the Python community

> That's not an option, at this point: all US projects and companies undergo this DIE-conversion

Funny you say that. While I reside in the US, my previous two employers were both EU-based (with the overwhelming majority of their employees outside the US), and both had _very_ strong (and strongly-enforced-to-the-point-of-immediate-termination) "DIE" policies. Those DIE policies, and indeed the overall culture of these companies, was/is _strongly_ European.

...As the saying goes, folks don't quit bad companies; they quit bad managers. And this whole PSF/SC thing reeks of bad management -- least of which operating under the delusion that they have "employer/employee" or "regulatory body" levels of control over everyone else involved.

"Exclusion" doesn't really work in volunteer-based F/OSS settings

Posted Sep 12, 2024 12:45 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

> Funny you say that. While I reside in the US, my previous two employers were both EU-based (with the overwhelming majority of their employees outside the US), and both had _very_ strong (and strongly-enforced-to-the-point-of-immediate-termination) "DIE" policies. Those DIE policies, and indeed the overall culture of these companies, was/is _strongly_ European.

West European, yes. Netherlands, Germany, Scandinavian countries are in the terminal phase and they would pay for it, sure. But why and how is that relevant?

Most languages, other important open-source projects, and the majority of IT are US-centric these days, thus it matters most what happens there. We can ignore Finland (what is left there after Nokia destruction and move of Linus to US?), but we couldn't ignore US (yet?). That's why I talk about DIE in US.

> And this whole PSF/SC thing reeks of bad management -- least of which operating under the delusion that they have "employer/employee" or "regulatory body" levels of control over everyone else involved.

That's US-added twist to the whole DEI saga: at least European people know there are borders and jurisdictions. US guy took the DIE and added that conviction that the whole world have to accept what they say, which made it even more toxic then it was in Europe. If it's possible to believe.