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Rebirth of the email client

Rebirth of the email client

Posted Aug 1, 2024 8:46 UTC (Thu) by callegar (guest, #16148)
Parent article: Lessons from the death and rebirth of Thunderbird

I was relieved by the "rebirth" of thunderbird, because I percieved it as the rebirth of the email client as a concept. The very idea that you can access all your mail "aggregating" it in a single program, no matter how many email addresses you need to watch from how many providers. The alternative is typically a website with a web-mail interface for every single provider, with its own notifications on, the inconsistency in the interfaces of the multiple web-mail codes, etc.

IMHO, there are two threats that could rapidly lead to the redeath, though, and both are serious.

The first one is on the side of the email client itself. The mass of archived email is constantly growing and Gmail has taught everybody never to delete email. Email clients must remain fast and *practical* enough even where the folders are huge. Thunderbird currently fails on the practicality side. When you search email, the message list view often starts "jumping" all around (see https://www.reddit.com/r/Thunderbird/comments/176y7z8/kee... or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1827042 or https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1860875). On the speed side, it is a bit on the boundary (still on the good side, because web-mail interfaces are slow themselves).

The second and more serious one is on the providers' side. In many cases they have stopped serving IMAP altogether. For instance, schools in Italy provide an email address to students used for parents to receive communications from the school, but you can only access that from the provider web mail interface (often gmail). This was already discussed on lwn. While the matter involves many aspects, most of it has ultimately to do with "what email is". Apparently, many institutions/companies, etc would like email to be "revokable" and to be able to "remove" what you have already received. This is clearly diverging from the original concept of email as the electronic counterpart of physical mail. Clearly, anything that helps local email storage is undesired in this model, in which there is no space for thunderbird or any other email client.


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Rebirth of the email client

Posted Aug 1, 2024 18:47 UTC (Thu) by madscientist (subscriber, #16861) [Link] (3 responses)

At least for the moment, you can access GMail and Exchange from GNOME Evolution very easily and seamlessly: on my screen right now is a single Evolution instance managing mail accounts (and calendars, and contacts) from my personal IMAP/Ical server, two separate GMail accounts, and my work Exchange account.

I work with email the same way in all the accounts including creating folders and filters to automatically sort mail, my calendar shows the sum of appointments on all the different calendars, email To: lines auto-complete from all the contact lists, etc. You can also download and store mail to access locally and remove it from server storage, if needed.

I will admit I'm not sure whether Evo's GMail support relies on GMail IMAP being enabled or not, but ultimately if you have a browser that can access your email then it can also be accessed by an email client, pretending to be a browser (I'm not saying this is how it works, but it COULD work that way if there's no better option).

I've not tried Thunderbird in many years so I don't know if it's kept pace. But this capability is still available, in at least some places.

Rebirth of the email client

Posted Aug 1, 2024 21:48 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (2 responses)

> At least for the moment, you can access GMail and Exchange from GNOME Evolution very easily and seamlessly:

Only if your "organization" allows external client access..

Many do, many don't. Anectdotally the trend is towards the latter.

> I will admit I'm not sure whether Evo's GMail support relies on GMail IMAP being enabled or not

It does not, but it still relies on API access that your organization admin can disable.

Rebirth of the email client

Posted Aug 9, 2024 13:58 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (1 responses)

Isn't then the fix to simply create a throwaway gmail account and then auto-forward all mails to someplace where you have reasonable access?

… or can they disable that too?

Rebirth of the email client

Posted Aug 9, 2024 14:12 UTC (Fri) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

> Isn't then the fix to simply create a throwaway gmail account and then auto-forward all mails to someplace where you have reasonable access?
>… or can they disable that too?

They not only can, but do, and IMO should.

Putting aside the obvious security concerns, it's also a spam vector.


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