Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 2:39 UTC (Fri) by willy (subscriber, #9762)
In reply to: Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released by himi
Parent article: Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Your phone didn't come with a USB-A to USB-C adapter? I have a box of them ...

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 3:37 UTC (Fri) by himi (subscriber, #340) [Link] (12 responses)

Not that I can recall - not my last phone, at least. Though I probably have some from older phones somewhere, or ebay will provide if I really need one.

It was, of course, a slightly facetious addendum, given it's not that hard to find a workaround - it's just a little irritating that laptops seem to be going all USB-C long before most common devices even support it. And I think it's a neat counterpoint to the discussion of ISO images and spinning-disk storage: we're still distributing software in a format that assumes a class of devices which are hard to find, and even when you do find them you may struggle to connect them to anything useful.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 4:15 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] (10 responses)

> we're still distributing software in a format that assumes a class of devices which are hard to find, and even when you do find them you may struggle to connect them to anything useful.

But weren't “serious” OSes always distributed that way? Doesn't matter whether you have Dell Unix on a tape in year 1992 or Linux on DVD-ROM in year 2024 it's always something exotic and non-trivial.

Windows 11 comes as DVD image even if most devices which support it come without DVDs!

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 6:05 UTC (Fri) by LtWorf (subscriber, #124958) [Link] (9 responses)

And the windows .iso images can't go on USB devices directly.

I mean they can but if you do it, it will boot the installer but not install.

You need to do i from the windows USB creation tool, or run a very long and complicated sequence of commands on linux to be able to put a windows .iso on a USB device and then having that fully work.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 6:13 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

> And the windows .iso images can't go on USB devices directly.

Depends on the brand of your “USB device”. It installs just fine from my IODD Mini.

But of course it's almost as exotic as tape drive needed to install aforementioned Dell Linux.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 9:35 UTC (Fri) by pfavr (guest, #38205) [Link] (7 responses)

Yes that fact cost me 2 days of frustration. Windows install runs fine from USB until it can't find the CDROM (USB drive). Thought it was a missing storage driver for the motherboard...
Of course Ubuntu install worked flawlessly :-)

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 11:01 UTC (Fri) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (6 responses)

That's why I prefer to format the target install partition, and copy the install media on to it :-)

Dunno how practical that is nowadays, but that's what I used to do all the time, as far back as Win3.1 and Win95 ...

Cheers,
Wol

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 13:11 UTC (Fri) by LtWorf (subscriber, #124958) [Link] (5 responses)

It won't work with a windows 10 .iso

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 16:16 UTC (Fri) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (3 responses)

Copying the .iso obviously won't work, but are you saying you can't copy the contents of the .iso either? I think it was the i386 folder I copied - without one in front of me I can't remember it exactly.

Then you boot from the iso in rescue mode, cd into the i386 folder, and run setup.

Cheers,
Wol

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 18:41 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link] (2 responses)

> Copying the .iso obviously won't work, but are you saying you can't copy the contents of the .iso either?

Contents of .iso includes install.wim which grew larger than 4GB after October 2018 Windows 10 1809 update and thus wouldn't fit on FAT32 partition.

You need to put it on NTFS, since Windows installer would only look on FAT32 or NTFS partitions on USB stick, but that doesn't work with all PC loaders (only FAT32 support is mandatory for UEFI).

The solution that works both in Linux and Windows world is to create two partitions, but that's quite the dance.

The solution that works for Windows is to just use Rufus…

The solution that's actually easy and supports everything from Windows 95 to latest Windows 11 and also any versions of FreeBSD, Linux or whatever is to use iODD… but that cost money.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 28, 2024 13:41 UTC (Sun) by ericc72 (guest, #41737) [Link]

Yeah, the .wim file got too big for the 4GB limit and indeed the process was quite the dance indeed (I used some Windows CLI commands to split the file, but I cannot remember details.)

I used to finagle things so I could boot my USB installer in either BIOS or UEFI. I cannot remember what I did, but with Rufus I was not able to achieve this. I discovered Ventoy and I now I can just drag and drop ISO images onto a large Ventoy prepared USB stick and that has been awesome!

https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 28, 2024 15:46 UTC (Sun) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

I'm quite suprised that you had no success, because you only need to, essentially, create two partitions, one FAT, one NTFS and put everything except install.wim on FAT and also everything including install.wim on NTFS.

Rufus does that better and, more importantly, it may, optionally, disable TPM checking which is important if your system is not officially supported by Windows 11.

Not sure if that works for very old BIOS machines or not, though: I don't need Windows 11 on them and everything else is better served by iODD drive.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 18:34 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

It works with Windows 10 32bit or Windows 10 prior to the October 2018 Windows 10 1809 update.

Ubuntu 24.04 LTS (Noble Numbat) released

Posted Apr 26, 2024 9:13 UTC (Fri) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]

My external BD-RW drive has a USB micro-B connector; I use a USB-C to USB micro-B cable for it (the original A to micro B cable has long since been destroyed by the ravages of time, and C to micro B costs the same as A to micro B).