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Posted Apr 2, 2024 21:53 UTC (Tue) by pebolle (guest, #35204)
In reply to: Switching fields by Sesse
Parent article: Free software's not-so-eXZellent adventure

> Why? “I don't want unlucky maintainers”?

I don't want maintainers publicly declaring their incapability to maintain their project (because of "mental health issues") .

> Or would you tell basically everyone in the FOSS world who would plausibly have fallen for the same ruse to do the same? (There wouldn't be a lot of maintainers around then.)

If they had fallen for the same ruse the honourable thing would be to say: "I messed up big time. I'm sorry. I won't be doing FOSS any more."


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Posted Apr 2, 2024 21:57 UTC (Tue) by mb (subscriber, #50428) [Link]

You should seriously step back from the keyboard and think about what you want to say before posting.

This is really uncalled for.
The xz maintainer does not deserve this.

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Posted Apr 2, 2024 22:00 UTC (Tue) by Sesse (subscriber, #53779) [Link]

> I don't want maintainers publicly declaring their incapability to maintain their project (because of "mental health issues") .

Why?

> If they had fallen for the same ruse the honourable thing would be to say: "I messed up big time. I'm sorry. I won't be doing FOSS any more."

So will the world be better off for that? Do you think the average security of FOSS packages will increase if the xz maintainer goes away? Who should maintain the package in their stead? And how do these standards differ from e.g. zlib's situation? (zlib was recently de facto supplanted by zlib-ng, led by a virtually unknown maintainer. I happen to know them and know that they are trustworthy, but how would you distinguish them from Jia Tan without that knowledge?)

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Posted Apr 2, 2024 22:04 UTC (Tue) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (1 responses)

I have a sense that this subthread could go bad quickly.

How about we stop here; you've said your piece, and it is quite clear that others disagree with you. I suspect that discussing this idea further will not bring much joy to anybody.

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Posted Apr 6, 2024 0:51 UTC (Sat) by nicku (guest, #777) [Link]

Thank you Jon.

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Posted Apr 2, 2024 23:22 UTC (Tue) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link]

Google for e.g. F32.9 ICD 10. Yes, it does qualify as "mental health issues". Treatable, at that. You are essentially saying that anyone who had an episode of that joy should (a) never mention it and (b) if somebody manages to take advantage of them while in that state - go away and never come back.

Note: I've no idea what condition Lasse had, but your claim is generic enough to have the above fit it. And when read that way, you do come across as a really vile piece of work. Self-righteous references to honourable behaviour and lovely uses of passive voice ("be told ...") only strengthen that impression.

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Posted Apr 3, 2024 10:40 UTC (Wed) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]

Would you prefer that the maintainer hid their issues, and was blackmailed by a malicious entity into putting their code in place for them, hiding the very existence of Jia Tan?

That's the alternative direction that you're opening up if maintainers can't talk about their problems without being forced to stand down - and I contend that it's worse to have a maintainer open to blackmail (so we cannot, after the fact, determine how far back we need to go in the commit history to predate the malicious comaintainer) than to have a malicious actor obtain comaintainership under their own identity (where we can at least assume that while Jia Tan's changes must be treated as probably malicious, the previous maintainer's commits can be treated as well-intended).


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