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A new CEO for Mozilla

A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 8, 2024 21:42 UTC (Thu) by kh (guest, #19413)
In reply to: A new CEO for Mozilla by donbarry
Parent article: A new CEO for Mozilla

I sometimes wonder how Wikipedia became such a financial success, when other orgs, often with what seems to be great funding for putting together a similar endowment, struggle financially. Was Wikipedia just so much more financially prudent? Are there lessons for other non-profits?


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A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 8, 2024 22:21 UTC (Thu) by kleptog (subscriber, #1183) [Link] (4 responses)

Well, looking at the financial statistics, Wikimedia gets a lot more donations, by a factor of at least three. [1]

From reading this thread is expected to find Mozilla foundation in dire straights, but the figures say otherwise. [2] The revenue is 50% more than the expenses and the assets are growing yearly and nearly $100 million. If this is failure, what does success look like?

Now, I agree that no-one is worth an annual salary of $7 million, but they certainly don't seem like failing any time soon.

[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/1...

[2] https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/...

A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 8, 2024 22:32 UTC (Thu) by kh (guest, #19413) [Link]

I am happy to hear I was mistaken, and Mozilla is also doing well financially.

A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 8, 2024 23:47 UTC (Thu) by excors (subscriber, #95769) [Link] (2 responses)

It looks like those numbers are purely for the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, excluding its for-profit subsidiaries like the Mozilla Corporation which is responsible for most of the browser development.

Including the subsidiaries, Mozilla in 2022 had revenue of roughly $510M in royalties (from default/optional search engines), plus $75M in subscriptions (Pocket Premium and VPN) and advertising (sponsored content on the new tab page, etc). Their expenses were $220M for software development, plus another $200M for administration and marketing etc. They made a net gain of $145M, with cash reserves of $510M.

They say "81% ... of Mozilla's revenues from customers with contracts were derived from one customer", which presumably means Google.

(Source: https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2022/mozilla-fdn-... via https://stateof.mozilla.org/)

So I think the problem is, Mozilla is almost entirely dependent on Google - that's at least $400M of revenue if I'm interpreting it correctly. If they lost that $400M (and couldn't find another search engine to replace it), they'd run out of cash in about two years.

Also, total royalties were $300M back in 2012 (when Firefox had ~20% browser market share, according to Statcounter), $500M in 2016 (~8% market share), and have stayed around $500M until now (~3% market share) (https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/who-we-are/public-records/). Google's funding has increased or remained stable despite Firefox's substantial drop in market share, which suggests Google might be being somewhat charitable and supporting Mozilla with more funding than their search engine placement is really worth. If Google decides to stop being that charitable, because they no longer see a strategic benefit in Firefox's continued existence, Mozilla will be in deep trouble.

That seems a good reason to attempt to diversify their sources of revenue, to provide more confidence that Firefox can survive longer than just the next couple of years.

A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 9, 2024 3:16 UTC (Fri) by makendo (guest, #168314) [Link]

Google's funding of Mozilla is likely because they have to. The only other option is to face California and US in an antitrust lawsuit (likely causing Google to lose control of Chrome), as without Mozilla they no longer just might have a monopoly, they _definitely_ are monopolizing the browser market.

A new CEO for Mozilla

Posted Feb 9, 2024 9:07 UTC (Fri) by patrick_g (subscriber, #44470) [Link]

>>>Their expenses were $220M for software development

That's good.

>>>plus another $200M for administration and marketing

That's crazy. It should urgently be reduced to the bare minimum, beginning with Mitchell Baker's insane salary.


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