Defining the Rust 2024 edition

Posted Jan 31, 2024 14:11 UTC (Wed) by joib (subscriber, #8541)
In reply to: Defining the Rust 2024 edition by bluca
Parent article: Defining the Rust 2024 edition

> Yes, there are plenty of people who have tried and are trying, and they are all ultimately failing. Not their fault of course, they are fighting an unwinnable, uphill struggle against an hostile ecosystem that couldn't possibly care less about them.

So perhaps the issue here is that it's the traditional Linux distros that need to adapt to how language ecosystems and software ecosystems work outside the 1980'ies C world? You can tilt at the windmills and scream "CADT!!!" all you want, but the rest of the world is not going to drop whatever they're doing and go back to the good 'ole days of plain C and POSIX sh. There's a lot of crap ideas out there, but all ideas that are different than the 1980'ies C view of the world are not automatically bad.

Defining the Rust 2024 edition

Posted Jan 31, 2024 14:18 UTC (Wed) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (2 responses)

> So perhaps the issue here is that it's the traditional Linux distros that need to adapt to how language ecosystems and software ecosystems work outside the 1980'ies C world?

....Yeah, how dare folks want to be able to handle their traditional use cases. The same use cases that all of these other language ecosystems stand on top of.

I swear, this really does come off as a "I don't care about the plights of farmers; I get my food from a supermarket!" dismissal.

Defining the Rust 2024 edition

Posted Jan 31, 2024 14:33 UTC (Wed) by joib (subscriber, #8541) [Link]

Huh, where did I say that? By all means, keep the existing system working.

Just saying that trying to bludgeon the post-2000(-ish) software development world into the shape of the C & sh world is unlikely to be satisfactory to anyone. As there are orders of magnitude more non-distro developers out there, and the distros have little to no leverage over them, it seems this is a fight they're destined to lose.

Defining the Rust 2024 edition

Posted Feb 3, 2024 1:43 UTC (Sat) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

> I swear, this really does come off as a "I don't care about the plights of farmers; I get my food from a supermarket!"

This should go into LWN's quote section.