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Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

Posted Nov 24, 2023 8:28 UTC (Fri) by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
In reply to: Chamberlain v. Home Assistant by nye
Parent article: Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

> What *would* be completely terrible is if my smart light switch were to function by sending a request to the internet, and then the light receiving that request from the internet. That really doesn't seem like a device that's fit for purpose, and that's what I mean by saying it's outrageous for lack of internet access to be a failure state.

If you read the original story, the failure was that the lights were controlled by voice, and I guess that was what needed the internet. Oh - and control by light switch was *physically* impossible, hence the *need* for voice control.

Cheers,
Wol


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Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

Posted Nov 27, 2023 16:44 UTC (Mon) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link] (2 responses)

I haven't seen the original story, just the Guardian article posted upthread which doesn't have any references that I can see. That article just describes the standard expected behaviour where the lights revert to their default state (on) after a failure that they're a bit vague about, and the user wasn't able to control them due to physical disability.

Even without knowing any more details, I can safely say that voice was not the only way to control those lights, just the only way accessible to that user in the circumstances. The question is whether that would take the form of resorting to the physical power switch on the wall (ie they failed in such a way as to turn them into normal dumb lights) or whether they were in fact capable of local operation, if only she'd been able to use the remote. That distinction doesn't matter for this particular user, but it does matter in general. We don't have the information to tell whether this particular smart platform is good or bad, but this user actually requires it to be pretty well *perfect*, which is impossible.

In other words, this discussion is actually about two issues. The broader issue is that as a society we should never be forcing anyone into a position where they're entirely dependent upon some piece of technology, or indeed any single point of failure even if that's a trusted person.

On the one hand, voice control that works when you have internet access is better than no voice control at all. On the other, technology that works *almost* perfectly can encourage people to skip backup plans - like alternative technologies with independent failure modes, regularly scheduled checkups from a human being, etc. I don't think the inability to be perfect reflects badly on any particular technology, but unwillingness to accept that, and insistence that we can find cheap technical solutions, does reflect badly on society.

Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

Posted Nov 27, 2023 18:05 UTC (Mon) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]

It's also the case that people overindex on the most recent failure; yes, the issues this time were due to an Internet outage. But what was the plan in the case that the power was out completely? Or if the lightbulbs had a hardware failure? And, given that there are multiple possible causes of a failure, why couldn't the plan for a total power outage be used to handle the total Internet outage?

FWIW, I have smart lights, with local touch remotes, a local-only mobile app, and cloud-based voice service and mobile app. As long as my local WiFi is up, I can use the mobile app to control the lights. As long as the lights are working, I can use the touch remotes. But to use the cloud-based voice service, or remote mobile app, I need my home Internet to work, too.

Chamberlain v. Home Assistant

Posted Nov 27, 2023 18:20 UTC (Mon) by excors (subscriber, #95769) [Link]

In this case it appears the backup plan for smart home failures was to contact a support worker to come and sort it out, which sounds like a good enough plan. Smart home technology can be helpful at giving greater autonomy to disabled people, and if it fails then you're just back to being dependent on other people and you're no worse off than before.

But the Optus outage affected internet, mobile and landline phones (reportedly including calls to emergency services in some cases), so she couldn't contact anyone at all, and there was apparently no backup plan for that. (Maybe she and her support workers could each have two phones on different networks, but that sounds pretty expensive and still not an infallible solution.)

When she was stuck in bed (because of her disability) with no means of contact (because of the outage), leaving her with "no access to food or water", and she'd have faced that serious problem even if she had no smart home technology, it seems odd to focus on the relatively trivial issue of not being able to control the lights.

A relatively trivial issue is still an issue - coincidentally one I'm experiencing right now, since my internet service has been down for a couple of days and I can't mumble at my bedside light to turn it off, I have to make the effort of leaning over to press the button (still a smart button; it's Hue which works okay offline) - and it's probably an issue worth addressing. But this story seems like a poor case study for that.


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