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Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

Posted Nov 16, 2023 15:08 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: Intel's "redundant prefix issue" by brunowolff
Parent article: Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

> If you have (in theory) the same ability to modify a device as the manufacturer, there are different incentives on the manufacturer, than if the manufacturer can do things you can't. [...] In practice, it may be that in most cases the limited resources of owners still leaves the manufacturers in an advantaged position, so that maybe having equal access in theory, isn't really all that useful.

Mask ROM (or OTP) hasn't existed in all but the simplest devices in the better part of two decades. These days, it's onboard (or directly embedded) flash that can be updated after the fact. This is a _good_ thing [1], especially for devices that need to be network-connected in some form (ie pretty much everything)

In practice, RYF ends up promoting absurd positions where they promote devices that can _never_ see Free Software firwmare over devices that at least have that possibility. They promote use of devices with known vulnerabilities [2] that can threaten the *user*. They promote use of a locked-down [3] cellular modem running a complete embedded Linux system over a wifi adapter that relies on firmware uploaded from the host. And so forth.

So, no, the FSF's position is completely divorced from reality; it's along the lines of thought that a brown paper bag somehow makes a bottle of alcohol "acceptable" in public because not being able to see inside it somehow makes it okay, even though everyone knows what's really in there. It's puritanical, performative nonsense that needs to be called out every time.

[1] Increasingly, this is legally mandated, as a manufacturer can be on the hook for flaws, even after the warranty period has expired.
[2] a CPU with microcode flaws that can leak secrets simply by visiting a web page is preferable to one that has its flaws fixed via a runtime-applied update.
[3] Locked down to the user, not the manufacturer. I guarantee every one of those devices is field-updatable, possibly OTA without user intervention. But since there's no user-facing mechanism to update the device, it somehow respects your freedom?


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Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

Posted Nov 16, 2023 17:04 UTC (Thu) by eduperez (guest, #11232) [Link] (2 responses)

By changing the definition of "software", and excluding non user-updatable firmware, the FSF can now say _they only use free software_.

Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

Posted Nov 16, 2023 18:34 UTC (Thu) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] (1 responses)

It is not only the FSF. Statutory warranty is different for "user-updatable firmware" compared to software.
You cannot disclaim warranty on hardware, but you can disclaim warranty on software.

Intel's "redundant prefix issue"

Posted Nov 16, 2023 19:16 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

You can disclaim warranty on hardware, you just couldn't sell such hardware in normal shops to general public.

IMNSHO that's the problem on software side of the fence and it should be fixed by treating the software similarly.


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