McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jun 28, 2023 15:25 UTC (Wed) by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118)
In reply to: McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source by ewan
Parent article: McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

And RHEL still is? You can download and use it on 16 servers for free. It's not "grab an iso and install" easy, but creating a red hat account is simple enough.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 4, 2023 6:19 UTC (Tue) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (8 responses)

Officially it is the development version only for development.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 4, 2023 8:20 UTC (Tue) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (7 responses)

Officially it is the development version only for development.

According to Red Hat, “the no-cost Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals may be used for demos, prototyping, QA, small production uses, and cloud access” (emphasis mine).

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 5, 2023 7:47 UTC (Wed) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (6 responses)

Yes, and you would base your company on this side comment somewhere in the documentation. Congratulations, you are the most courageous (or reckless) entrepreneur of the year!

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 5, 2023 7:49 UTC (Wed) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

No, I wouldn't. I prefer Debian.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 6, 2023 17:20 UTC (Thu) by cortana (subscriber, #24596) [Link] (4 responses)

No, the terms are in the Red Hat Developer Subscription for Individuals subscription agreement:

> “Individual Production Use” means any use other than for Individual Development Use including, but not limited to, using the Software (a) in a production environment, (b) with live data and/or applications and/or (c) for backup instances.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 13, 2023 16:24 UTC (Thu) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (2 responses)

Exactly:

So, Red Hat can sue you any time if you just use packages of their repositories (without any of your own development) in the production environment? Meaning, this is so confusing and ambiguous, that I would immediately run to openSUSE or Debian.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 13, 2023 16:44 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

> So, Red Hat can sue you any time if you just use packages of their repositories (without any of your own development) in the production environment? Meaning, this is so confusing and ambiguous, that I would immediately run to openSUSE or Debian.

...Debian and OpenSUSE are not equivalent to, or substitutes for, RHEL (or even CentOS Stream), especially where the support window is concerned.

(Unless of course you never actually needed RHEL to begin with, and/or were just using one of its rebuilds because you didn't have to pay anything for it)

Seriously, please, there are a lot of options, but don't delude yourself into thinking that the grass is necessarily greener everywhere else -- Each of those options represents a different culture, warts, and compromises.

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 13, 2023 19:27 UTC (Thu) by kleptog (subscriber, #1183) [Link]

People should really read the whole text[1], it's not long. The passage quoted above is merely the definition of Individual Production Use, the rest of the subscription doesn't distinguish between production and non-production. The distinction is probably for some legal purpose not relevant to us.

And suing? Really? Yes, in theory RedHat can sue anybody, but as an individual the law really limits what they can do to cancelling your subscription. They're not going to sue you unless you happen to be a million dollar business pretending to be an individual developer, because then consumer rights won't protect you.

It feels like some people here want to find a reason to hate RedHat. I don't use RedHat, never have, but I don't think they're evil or anything.

[1] https://developers.redhat.com/terms-and-conditions

McGrath: Red Hat’s commitment to open source

Posted Jul 25, 2023 14:21 UTC (Tue) by MattJD (subscriber, #91390) [Link]

Also from the terms:

> The Individual Developer Subscriptions allow you (as an individual, natural person) to use certain Red Hat Subscription Services in connection with Red Hat Software for Individual Development Use and for Individual Production Use subject to these Program Terms at no cost.

I don't know why they are making a distinction, but they explicitly allow both uses.