Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 15:48 UTC (Sun) by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
In reply to: Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice by Wol
Parent article: Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

File -> Version History -> Name current version

Having to explicitly "save" regularly was incredibly dangerous, I'm glad no software requires that any more.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 15:53 UTC (Sun) by mb (subscriber, #50428) [Link] (8 responses)

>Having to explicitly "save" regularly was incredibly dangerous

Why?

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 19:53 UTC (Sun) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (7 responses)

Because you forget to do so at crucial times, of course.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 20:45 UTC (Sun) by mb (subscriber, #50428) [Link] (6 responses)

Never happened to me.
In contrast, autosync/save not working happens all the time.
Bad network connection and boom almost silently failing sync. Happens all the time. This is very annoying.
I would rather click 'save' and get a sane network error message than having a tiny error symbol somewhere and realizing days after the fact that it didn't sync to the network.
Autosave and autosync are just stupid.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 21:35 UTC (Sun) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link] (3 responses)

> Never happened to me.

Too bad this type of software is now optimized for normal people, not for exceptional people like you.

> In contrast, autosync/save not working happens all the time.

Never happened to me :-)

> Bad network connection and boom almost silently failing sync

First, this is obviously not a problem for local auto save.

Network save should obviously happen in the background and able to cope with network issues, not interrupting anything else. It's not rocket science and usually done right. If not done right then it's an implementation bug, not a design issue.

(Explicit network save does not work either when there is no network)

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 5, 2023 3:15 UTC (Mon) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link] (2 responses)

Actually all of this is a pointless discussion

autosync doesn't hurt; if you don't like it, ignore it
a named version gives you a snapshot of a file at a certain point, same as saving it would do, except you can have multiple historical named snapshots, while saving overwrites your old versions
and you can download a local copy whenever you want

I think the only real issue with google docs is the requirement to be online most of the time. If you are typing when offline, and are unable to get online before your laptop battery dies, you are likely to lose work.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 5, 2023 4:16 UTC (Mon) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (1 responses)

Yeah, very nice that something like this now works, given a multi-MBit/sec network link – and some hefty CPUs in some data center, which y'all finance by staring at ads and/or giving up your privacy and/or living off other people who do that.

I'm very happy to live in a world in which distros exist whose target users explicitly include people who don't have the former and/or don't want to do the latter.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 5, 2023 4:41 UTC (Mon) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

So the discussion was already mixing up auto-save with cloud storage. They interact with each other yet they're different topics.

Thanks for adding another, third, unrelated and non-technical topic: who pays for the cloud and how.

PS: Google Workspace and Office365 are primarily targeted at businesses. None involves any advertisement in that case.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Jun 4, 2023 22:03 UTC (Sun) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

> Bad network connection and boom almost silently failing sync. Happens all the time. This is very annoying.

Google Docs (to take an example pertinent to the conversation at large) does not fail silently when it gets a network error while trying to autosave your document.

Red Hat dropping support for LibreOffice

Posted Aug 14, 2023 17:14 UTC (Mon) by DimeCadmium (subscriber, #157243) [Link]

> Never happened to me.

Yeah. Sure. Regardless of the veracity of the statement

> In contrast, autosync/save not working happens all the time.

Never happened to me. (With Google Docs, excepting the case it can't control of your Internet going out)

> Bad network connection and boom almost silently failing sync. Happens all the time. This is very annoying.

Bad network connection happens to you all the time? I'm sorry. Anyway, there's a solution for that (if you use it in Chrome), it'll keep saving locally and then sync when your connection is back. Even outside of Chrome, all you have to do is leave it open til your connection comes back. And what? Silent? You don't notice when your connection goes out?

> I would rather click 'save' and get a sane network error message than having a tiny error symbol somewhere and realizing days after the fact that it didn't sync to the network.

How is having to remember to click save so much easier than having to remember to check the status that it continually prints (in normal-sized text right by the title of the document)? Oh and then if you *still* try to close it without a successful save, it'll pop up a notification explicitly telling you that if you leave now your changes may not be saved!

> Autosave and autosync are just stupid.

I would say something else in this situation is stupid.