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The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 25, 2023 16:53 UTC (Tue) by NYKevin (subscriber, #129325)
In reply to: The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity by anselm
Parent article: The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

I get the sense that the EU provided a convenient scapegoat for British politicians, who could just blame it for any and all unpopular policies that nevertheless needed to be passed. What I don't understand is why the politicians in other European countries never figured out that they could do the same.

(I suppose it wouldn't really make sense for France or Germany to blame the EU, because to a first approximation, they are the EU. But there are a bunch of other EU member states that could do it.)


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The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 25, 2023 18:07 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link]

> What I don't understand is why the politicians in other European countries never figured out that they could do the same.

They have, and do use the EU as a scapegoat, when it's convenient.

But generally speaking those countries don't have a tradition of "noble isolationism" afforded by being surrounded entirely by water instead of neighbours one needs to play nice with.

The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 25, 2023 18:13 UTC (Tue) by rschroev (subscriber, #4164) [Link]

Some politicians here in Belgium certainly do use Europe as a scapegoat from time to time, luckily not to the same extent as what happened in the UK.

One thing I feel is missing is more comprehensive media coverage of the decision making at the European level. Newspapers and TV shows often talk about politics at the national and regional level; opinion makers write about the issues of the moment; politicians are interviewed and debate each other. None of that is perfect, but at least it exposes some of the decision making.

Almost none of that exists for issues on the European level. Reporters will cover European Summits and other big events, but there is almost no coverage of the day-to-day decision making. Sometimes politicians do sometimes get interviewed about European issues, almost always only local politicians; politicians from other countries (other than the obvious ones like Macron, Von Der Leyen etc.) almost never come in the picture. There is practically no debate in the public space with different viewpoints about the issues at the European level.

In my opinion, the mass media falls short in its function as fourth power in matters of European politics. At the same time it's very well possible people wouldn't like more coverage; it could very well be pretty dull.

The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 25, 2023 18:41 UTC (Tue) by farnz (subscriber, #17727) [Link]

Other EU countries do blame the EU for any and all unpopular countries. The distinction is that in (at least) Spain, France, Germany, Ireland and Italy, people react to that by asking what the alternatives are, and whether the alternative choices are any better in practice, whereas the UK tends to assume that we can do our own thing and the rest of the world will fall into line.

The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 25, 2023 18:59 UTC (Tue) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

> What I don't understand is why the politicians in other European countries never figured out that they could do the same.

There is a possibly apocryphal headline:

FOG IN CHANNEL – CONTINENT CUT OFF

that perfectly exemplifies the underlying English* mindset responsible for Britain taking it so much further than mainland European countries do.

* Yes, I specifically mean English, rather than British.

The Python Software Foundation on European cybersecurity

Posted Apr 28, 2023 15:28 UTC (Fri) by jschrod (subscriber, #1646) [Link]

Oh, some populist parties have figured it out. Poland's PIS is a prime example of it.

Hungary is even worse -- I'd call it an authotarian regime by now, and not a democracy any more. Everything bad that happens, is caused by the EU.


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