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SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

Posted Mar 19, 2023 9:56 UTC (Sun) by ksandstr (guest, #60862)
In reply to: SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next by iabervon
Parent article: SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

>I think a lot of developers of GPLed projects, they don't feel personally harmed when companies use their code without obeying the license,

There's an ugly name for those who argue about the intent of others contrary to said others' concrete actions. I read this comment as "go ahead and walk right over Them Nerds, they're just playing coy", and if a different meaning was intended then it wasn't adequately communicated.

The choice between the GNU General Public License's second and third versions, use of the "or later" clause, and any other mode of licensing, has been thoroughly discussed online and elsewhere over the past generation of man, is well understood, and represents the copyright owner's definite and unambiguous will. Disregard for this intent can only have risen out of the same wastebucket as Internet-persistent fantasies about the GPL being "untested in court" and therefore subject to such invalidation that wouldn't leave the exploiter facing a sentence for criminal copyright infringement.

It's a crying shame that today the GPL isn't being enforced with a singular firm request first and the nuclear option an immediate second. A corporation -- such as John Deere in the context of the SFC's case here -- recognizes nothing as it does a direct effect on its bottom line; and as is apparent from their non-compliance thusfar, anything but the maximum iron fist will yield no result.


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SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

Posted Mar 21, 2023 15:56 UTC (Tue) by NYKevin (subscriber, #129325) [Link] (2 responses)

I think we can all agree that:

1. Violating the copyright license is wrong, and also illegal.
2. Not all developers care about (1) enough to actually file a lawsuit (if they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation).

(1) is a normative statement, (2) is a factual statement. Both can be true at the same time.

SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

Posted Mar 21, 2023 16:48 UTC (Tue) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (1 responses)

> 2. Not all developers care about (1) enough to actually file a lawsuit (if they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation).

There's also 2a, "Of those that care about (1), very few have the resources (or sufficient standing, see the VMware debacle) to file a lawsuit and see it through.

SFC: John Deere's ongoing GPL violations: What's next

Posted Mar 22, 2023 13:09 UTC (Wed) by SKodai (guest, #153476) [Link]

Louis Rossmann (of Rossmann Repair Group, right-to-repair advocacy, and various YT and Odysee videos) has pretty much declared he's going to fight John Deere on this. https://odysee.com/@rossmanngroup:a/holding-corporate-cri...

If FSF and SFC aren't interested in starting this fight, they should at least team up with Louis Rossmann's effort.


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