A good class action?

Posted Nov 15, 2022 15:47 UTC (Tue) by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
In reply to: A good class action? by paulj
Parent article: Class action against GitHub Copilot

Don't forget, though, that from reading the article it appears the mother was "dry" - milk from the mother was not an option.

They also self-diagnosed the baby as lactose-intolerant. Stupid thing to do, but ...

If you think someone else is being stupid, how can you be sure it's not your own ignorance or stupidity that leads you to that conclusion? The parents' actions make perfect sense inside their own world and belief system. Sounds to me like they somehow slipped through the ante-natal safety net ...

Cheers,
Wol

A good class action?

Posted Nov 16, 2022 10:44 UTC (Wed) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link] (3 responses)

Given the parents seem to have some kind of ideology against mammalian milk, I doubt there was any real attempt to have the mother produce milk at the beginning. It takes at least a few days to get going, and it's very easy for (new) mothers (or worried others around them) to tell them the baby must be hungry and therefore the baby must be given something else. And when the baby is given something else, that reduces or eliminates demand for the mother's milk, the suckling time neeeded to stimulate production particularly and... so.. no milk is produced.

A good class action?

Posted Nov 16, 2022 14:10 UTC (Wed) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (2 responses)

Hence my comment about lack of ante-natal care. Not that I know much about it (my daughters are step-), but yes I understood that when a new-born cries it's more for a cuddle (that leads to milk production), and not because they are hungry.

(I meant to say post-natal, but either way that is the sort of thing the mother-to-be should have been taught.)

Cheers,
Wol

A good class action?

Posted Nov 17, 2022 10:23 UTC (Thu) by paulj (subscriber, #341) [Link] (1 responses)

It's more than just cuddling. The baby needs to actually suckle, regularly and for good periods, during the initial few days where the mother will still not be producing milk to any significant degree (other than the initial build up of colostum). It is the suckling action that stimulates production. But it can be hard for a new mother to watch a baby eager to suckle - and conclude the baby must be hungry, and therefore there is something wrong with her milk production. But... it just takes a day or 3, or 4 to really get going (and a baby brought to term is born with extra fat precisely to get through that time).

A good class action?

Posted Nov 17, 2022 14:16 UTC (Thu) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

...and all of this has been pretty far off-topic for some time now. Perhaps we could conclude this sub-thread here?