Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Posted Nov 11, 2022 17:42 UTC (Fri) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)In reply to: Class action against GitHub Copilot by bluca
Parent article: Class action against GitHub Copilot
Posted Nov 11, 2022 19:36 UTC (Fri)
by bluca (subscriber, #118303)
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Posted Nov 11, 2022 20:07 UTC (Fri)
by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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Posted Nov 11, 2022 20:44 UTC (Fri)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Please note, that it's not a question of copyright.
Posted Nov 11, 2022 21:39 UTC (Fri)
by bluca (subscriber, #118303)
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Posted Nov 12, 2022 3:12 UTC (Sat)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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Posted Nov 12, 2022 11:29 UTC (Sat)
by bluca (subscriber, #118303)
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Posted Nov 12, 2022 15:39 UTC (Sat)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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It would have been wise for Microsoft to train Copilot against their crown jewels (Office and Windows) for two reasons:
Posted Nov 12, 2022 18:31 UTC (Sat)
by bluca (subscriber, #118303)
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Posted Nov 12, 2022 20:33 UTC (Sat)
by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
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How the hell do you think anyone would get a citation for that? Are you saying that Microsoft doesn't have useful Win32 API usage to train on for Windows developers? Or are you saying that even Microsoft doesn't use it well enough to bother training anything on it?
Posted Nov 12, 2022 22:00 UTC (Sat)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Nov 13, 2022 16:56 UTC (Sun)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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For 1, it's not about the naysayers, it's about what you can say in court to convince a judge (or jury in some US civil cases) that the naysayers are overreacting. The statement "we trained this against our crown jewels, the Windows and Office codebases, because we are completely certain that its output cannot contain enough of our original code to infringe copyright" is a very convincing statement to a judge or jury - and even if the court finds that Copilot engages in contributory infringement of people's copyright (having seen a demo of it doing so), the court is likely to be lenient on Microsoft as a result - the fact of having trained it against their core business codebases is helpful evidence that any infringement by Copilot's output is unintentional and something Microsoft would fix, because it puts their core business at risk.
And for 2, which part do you want a citation on? That Office and Windows are a big Win32 codebase written by good developers? That people still write code for Win32? That there's boilerplate in Win32 that would be simplified with an AI assistant helping you write the code?
Posted Nov 12, 2022 22:28 UTC (Sat)
by anselm (subscriber, #2796)
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Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
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Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot
Class action against GitHub Copilot