Why is Copilot so bad?
Why is Copilot so bad?
Posted Jul 4, 2022 18:16 UTC (Mon) by bluca (subscriber, #118303)In reply to: Why is Copilot so bad? by LtWorf
Parent article: Software Freedom Conservancy: Give Up GitHub: The Time Has Come!
And...?
> Most people would give it a try but getting it to work is non trivial (using a specific proprietary editor, setting up a vm to isolate said editor, giving up the credit card number). So it's not like it's easy to test and form an opinion.
You forgot hand-carving a new silicon behind a blast door in an hazmat suit. Also TIL that Neovim is a proprietary editor. And there's no need for credit cards if you are an open source maintainer, you get it for free.
> Uhm… Microsoft is a major corporation building an AI/ML software violating the licenses of probably millions of smaller fishes. It's happening now.
You are both failing to see the point (major corporations would be fine if the law worked like the maximalists wanted it to, it's the rest that would be worse off) and also talking nonsense, there is no license violation anywhere. Feel free to point to the court cases if not. Just because a few trolls and edgy teenagers shout "violation!" it doesn't mean it's actually happening, you need to prove it. Can you?
> And in this case it is not better for the authors, as you can see by the fact that the authors are indeed complaining.
The fact that some are complaining doesn't mean the alternative if the law was different would be better. There's plenty of anti-vaxxers complaining about the vaccination programs wordwide, it doesn't mean we'd be better off without vaccines.
> And why is that? Why microsoft didn't use its own internal git repos for training? I'm sure there is a lot of code there… is there some fear about the license of the output perhaps?
It's because of the aliens trapped in those repos, duh! Now if you take off your tin foil hat for a moment and go read other replies, I've already given my uninformed guess on why only public repos on Github are used.
> You are reading what you would like to be written rather than what is actually written.
I'm not the one claiming that training a model violates copyright when it's explicitly allowed by law.
Posted Jul 4, 2022 18:30 UTC (Mon)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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Thank you.
Posted Jul 5, 2022 14:35 UTC (Tue)
by nye (subscriber, #51576)
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Posted Jul 5, 2022 14:52 UTC (Tue)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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Posted Jul 6, 2022 9:34 UTC (Wed)
by sdalley (subscriber, #18550)
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But why argue at all. C'mon now, let's give Jon the respect he's entitled to as owner of this site...
I'm thinking that perhaps this particular subthread has gone as far as it needs to; let's stop it here.
Can we stop here?
Can we stop here?
Perhaps you have the time to watch an out-of-control comment thread - on a holiday - to find the perfect point at which to intervene. I apologize, but I lack that time.
Can we stop here?
Can we stop here?