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PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Posted Feb 18, 2022 1:21 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304)
In reply to: PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone by ppisa
Parent article: PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Now that's a magisterial comment! but it says to me not that Halla was unfair, but that Halla was *right*. The software has moved on since then, but that doesn't mean it wasn't like that three months ago. Three months is, honestly, not a very long time, especially not with Christmas in the middle of it...


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PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Posted Feb 18, 2022 8:11 UTC (Fri) by ppisa (subscriber, #67307) [Link] (3 responses)

But actual comment from halla is from Feb 9, 2022, it pretends that device is unusable and that Purism is incapable. But she does not inform that it is based on the three months old short experience which reveals only after mjw reported to her October 2, 2021 "My Librem 5 has arrived" article.

So I think that it is not fully fair to Purism. On the other hand I have some deal with Purism support https://source.puri.sm/Librem5/OS-issues/-/issues/252 where they do not want to reveal background information behind GNSS fix to bring up previous batch HW revision to the actual one. As the embedded HW and system architects and computer architectures courses guarantor, I do not like to solder in the system when I have no complete information and cannot check state before and after fix against some data reported by company from more pieces...

But generally I appreciate Purism effort which goes into ecosystem development and in the fact is seems that the made even PinePhone usable by Posh and other components investment and the managed to integrate convergence enhancements into mainline GTK and Gnome so the result of their good work survives even if the concrete Librem 5 project does not be fully successful on HW side.

PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Posted Feb 20, 2022 14:29 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (2 responses)

> But actual comment from halla is from Feb 9, 2022, it pretends that device is unusable and that Purism is incapable.

... so now you're calling her a liar? (Either that, or you're using the word "pretends" incorrectly: possibly you mean "suggests", which does not imply intentional deceit. I'm not sure.)

> But she does not inform that it is based on the three months old short experience

... err,, a) there is a date on the article which makes it clear that it's from a few months ago and b) it makes it clear that it's from a lot *less* than three months' experience because the device wasn't usable enough to actually use. This all came across perfectly clearly to me in the article: I suspect, from your comment, that it didn't come across to you, perhaps because of a language barrier.

PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Posted Feb 20, 2022 16:46 UTC (Sun) by ppisa (subscriber, #67307) [Link] (1 responses)

OK, I have mean more "pretend" in the meaning "claim" which was my feeling of the word and is even one meaning according to my Czech to English dictionary when I check it now. I did not want to mark her directly as a liar but I feel her claim as overrated and emotional and underrating Purism effort too much. But I am not native speaker, so I speak Czenglish it is possible that each of us understand worlds meaning and intonation different. .... But from the initial comment only, there is no link to article and can be easily misinterpreted that she comments actual state, so I feel the comment as at least little unfair. But she probably feels that her experience was probably so strong that the comment is appropriate.

And yes, when I rested the movement of menus etc. again, then it could be probably better accelerated and more smooth etc. But it is far under my level of feeling unconformable. But can be problem for somebody. There are some surprises on the road, i.e. you go through smooth mobile adaptive setup of the WiFi and at the moment when I have selected Enterprise WPA you find that you need external monitor or change display zoom, rotate etc to get forward because that dialog does not fit on the device screen. It was situation three months ago when I have setup my EDUROAM account. May it be it is solved already. When you run VLC and move it on the external screen the widow decoration is (was, I have not checked today) only black rectangle, but could be drag and resized by mouse. So yes, there is long way to go. But I would not call software as completely buggy. I would say that it is in evolution. I have stuck GUI and or whole device during some experiments with different USB-C devices, monitors end and have to reset it, may it be five times. No data lost. But during normal use I have not experienced hard stuck of the system, it was during real experiments. I have it connected to ETHERNET in the dock over whole day and tinkered with it and again no problems. Only one incominig call silent over many attempts, and it was in November... Not counting actual unfinished suspend state. There could be overheat stuck in my initial tests three months ago. But I have not noticed any such misbehavior from December... So I would declare core hardware, CPU, charging, kernel and graphics engine support as stable now... and quite usable even for non standard setups, i.e. external monitor, keyboard, mouse, virtual mouse on display and I test Telegram not over its native client but over libpurple plugin and even it works. It has some lag (5, 10 sec) at each initial synchronization when mobile or WiFi connection becomes available but then it works for whole days reliably. Sometimes latest message after reconnect is duplicated... But that is probably common problem on libpurple Telegram plugin side. I like virtual keyboard, terminal, even calls (for both mobile and VoIP) and chatty as the reasonably ergonomics applications. Touch copy paste between applications has not ideal ergonomic yet. But you can use virtual keyboard menu key and get to the function usually. Solution is in the discussion/progress. If battery life can be prolonged by power management I can imagine to use it as my main phone in the town. In the countryside, it is too expensive to scratch it and battery is and will probably be a problem. I hope that GPS will be resolved at the end, so it is platform to test and develop some, ideally, offline navigation applications in car, for sure much behind OsmAnd initially... But management over SSH, aptitude, usability as full Linux desktop and Debian are plus not found on the mass produced mobiles...

PinePhone: trying out a Linux-based smartphone

Posted Feb 20, 2022 17:54 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

> I have mean more "pretend" in the meaning "claim" which was my feeling of the word and is even one meaning according to my Czech to English dictionary when I check it now.

And so it is! But, uh... not for about a hundred and fifty years. That's a likely meaning if you're reading Jane Austen, but totally obsolete since at the very earliest 1920 and probably much earlier. It is never used with that meaning nowadays.

(I wish more dictionaries highlighted when meanings were obsolete like this. In my experience, native-language dictionaries usually do it, but X-to-Y often fail to do so, with frequently unfortunate or hilarious results.)


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