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Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Posted Jan 21, 2022 11:16 UTC (Fri) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334)
In reply to: Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix by sfeam
Parent article: Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Yes, VMSClusters look like something I was thinking about (as far as I can get from the Wikipedia article on it). I speak mostly out of my frustration with the current state of the affairs.

What I was thinking was that all my data are somewhere in The Cloud and whatever machine I use to access them (workstation, my hobby home laptop, tablet, or phone) I get access to the same data. Perhaps I don’t have all applications for all data (thinking that tablet or phone), then I cannot access those, but for those data which I have application for I can access the exact same data. And of course all that over the Internet, so fully secure, with authorizations and all that crap. And all that cached on the local disc, because otherwise latency will kill any user experience. It should be the normal state of everyday affairs not something like pulling your teeth slowly.

If you try something like that today you have NFS or Samba or stuff like that, which is unuseable for everyday work over even slightly non-local network (not mentioning a potential security disaster, so one switches to something even more obscure like sshfs and that’s even slower; NFSv4 may be more secure). Or you have some ultra-high-level stuff like Coda/OpenAFS etc. which requires really high-end hardware (no chance of running it on my tablet, phone could not be even mentioned) and even there I am not sure how well it works. Or you have series of mutually incompatible ad-hoc synchronization hacks (offline-IMAP, similar for CardDAV/CalDAV/etc., some weird in-browser proprietary caching for Google Docs, scripts using rsync, etc.).

http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/ seems to claim that Plan9 was supposed to be able of something like that, but I have my deepest doubts and I will believe it when I see it.

If you have some system which fulfils my requirements than you are either God or a liar, and I be on the latter.


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Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Posted Jan 21, 2022 23:54 UTC (Fri) by intgr (subscriber, #39733) [Link] (2 responses)

> What I was thinking was that all my data are somewhere in The Cloud and whatever machine I use to access them (workstation, my hobby home laptop, tablet, or phone) I get access to the same data.

Perkeep (previously Camlistore) is an attempt to solve this problem.

Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Posted Jan 22, 2022 19:28 UTC (Sat) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link] (1 responses)

OK, an interesting idea I will try to learn more about it. Two problems seem obvious, why I think keeping it on the lower level of a filesystem makes more sense is that nobody wants to use any format they don’t already use (https://xkcd.com/743/), and the second is that I have never heard about, so I don’t expect it to take over the world anytime soon.

Brian Kernighan on the origins of Unix

Posted Jan 22, 2022 21:57 UTC (Sat) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]

Hmm, I have to revert myself a bit. I was talking about completely independent system and then I was talking about using “normal” formats, which is mutually exclusive. Damn.

Concerning Perkeep, it looks interesting, but more as a secondary story for backup and archiving (something similar to https://github.com/ThinkUpLLC/ThinkUp ?) not as something where you actually work.


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