Jami "Taranis" released

Posted Dec 24, 2021 17:50 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566)
Parent article: Jami "Taranis" released

From the feature set, this sounds like it wants to be a better clone of what Skype was before M$ bought and destroyed it. Maybe they should lean into that in their advertising, like Discord infamously did (before repeatedly screwing its userbase).

As it is, the only thing that stands out here in a heavily saturated market of too-cool-for-interop networks is “it's GNU!” — great if you want a way to communicate exclusively with other GNU fanatics, but otherwise a negative for most who understand what that implies.

Market isn't really saturated...

Posted Dec 24, 2021 18:19 UTC (Fri) by Herve5 (subscriber, #115399) [Link] (4 responses)

If you require
- open source apps
- encrypted comms
- serverless
- TOR-like channel scrambling,

actually there remain extremely few...
Briar, Session, Tox?
Does the new Jami swarm concept addresses channel scrambling?

The fourth criterion isn't negligible as ‘even’ my western European country, France, recently activated an international agreement to demand, and obtain, sender/receiver IPs in a recent very, very small issue (tracking people that merely wanted to organize demonstrations).

Market isn't really saturated...

Posted Dec 24, 2021 19:30 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (3 responses)

If you need Tor-like network obfuscation as a matter of physical safety from geopolitical threats, then absolutely do not use *any* software that runs on a bespoke mesh network. It'd take all of 5 minutes for a coerced ISP to query their metadata logs for customers exhibiting unusual P2P traffic patterns in a given place and time, assuming the mechanisms they have in place for obeying Hadopi don't automatically alert them first.

This is an inflatable pooltoy, not a life-preserving device.

Market isn't really saturated...

Posted Dec 24, 2021 20:00 UTC (Fri) by Herve5 (subscriber, #115399) [Link] (2 responses)

I'm no 'GNU fanatic' nor a 'geopolitical threat' :-)
But from your two posts I understand absolutely nothing is worth, then.
Should I register back to Skype?

Market isn't really saturated...

Posted Dec 24, 2021 21:55 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (1 responses)

You don't seem to be reading my posts in good faith at all. I'm done here.

Market isn't really saturated...

Posted Dec 25, 2021 3:25 UTC (Sat) by intelfx (subscriber, #130118) [Link]

As an impartial passerby, I can't help but notice that you yourself don't really seem to be commenting in good faith. Try to use less inflammatory bait language?

Jami "Taranis" released

Posted Dec 25, 2021 17:58 UTC (Sat) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link] (1 responses)

> As it is, the only thing that stands out here in a heavily saturated market of too-cool-for-interop networks is “it's GNU!” — great if you want a way to communicate exclusively with other GNU fanatics, but otherwise a negative for most who understand what that implies.

Is there an automated test suite? This type of tool is one of the hardest to test, emulating many hosts and various network conditions between them is a huge challenge. QA is what makes the difference in this heavily saturated market between which software is popular and which is not. Some tool does not work? Switch to another one, problem solved.

Whether the source of the product is available or not, the QA of company-sponsored software is usually unknown. It's like developers write bug-free code by magic (they don't). Maybe that's why so many open-source projects believe tests are not important: they don't realize they have to compete with something they don't know exists :-)

I couldn't find whether Jami uses WebRTC (which would save a lot of QA)

Jami "Taranis" released

Posted Jan 3, 2022 17:44 UTC (Mon) by bandali (guest, #98538) [Link]

> Is there an automated test suite?

We do indeed have a test suite:
https://git.jami.net/savoirfairelinux/jami-daemon/-/tree/...
https://docs.jami.net/coverage/

> I couldn't find whether Jami uses WebRTC (which would save a lot of QA)

Jami does not use WebRTC, at least not currently. The communication
stack is mainly PJSIP for media + OpenDHT for some messages.