Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Posted Dec 22, 2021 8:51 UTC (Wed) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)In reply to: Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails? by kronat
Parent article: The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source
This assumption is incorrect. Email addresses tend to tie to other identities, and in many cases so do nicknames. People can create a separate identity purely for the sake of contributing to open source projects, but they then need to be extremely careful not to link that to anything else. And maintaining an identity that is inconsistent with how you present in the physical world means you're never going to be able to attend a conference and give a presentation on your work or participate in in-person interaction with your peers, something that's going to have a strong influence on how effective your ability to contribute actually is.
> The other assumption I am making is that a whatsoever problem in diversity, equity, and inclusion, should be active (i.e., the community actively discriminates against a person, or treat differently a human being for some characteristics, or explicitly reject contributions from individuals not based on technical grounds, etc)
Plenty of the discrimination that occurs is either subconscious (ie, based on people's existing social biases, they treat submissions differently based on how they perceive the contributor) or due to broader context (eg, a project may not reject submissions from a trans contributor, or discriminate directly against that contributor, but may make jokes about other trans people that leave the contributor feeling unsafe).
> I would appreciate an answer that doesn't go against my assumptions.
This seems equivalent to explaining that you can square the circle as long as you assume that Pi equals 3.2 and then rejecting any counter arguments that reject that premise? Your assumptions are wrong, and as a result the conclusion you draw is also wrong. It's impossible to explain the observed results without contradicting them.
Posted Dec 22, 2021 9:57 UTC (Wed)
by geert (subscriber, #98403)
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Which is a violation of the Developer's Certificate of Origin, as used by e.g. Linux.
Posted Dec 22, 2021 10:12 UTC (Wed)
by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239)
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"using your real name (sorry, no pseudonyms or anonymous contributions.)"
There's no definition of "real name", and the entire nymwars saga should demonstrate that attempting to define that in a meaningful way just results in a whole bunch of sadness. There's a number of well-established contributors to Linux whose SoBs don't match the name on any government-issued IDs they have, and that's something that holds true outside Linux as well.
Posted Dec 31, 2021 2:27 UTC (Fri)
by flussence (guest, #85566)
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The rationale for any of this was seemingly never spoken aloud, but if anyone wants a conspiracy theory it began around the same time Sony muscled the distro into creating a copyright owners file in the package tree for it (last I checked that file contains exactly two lines: the other being a developer who saw through how ridiculous it was and added themselves out of spite).
Posted Dec 31, 2021 4:22 UTC (Fri)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Jan 7, 2022 22:39 UTC (Fri)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Yeah. Seen that. If some FOSS-project would ask me to participate strictly using my legal name — I would consider that much bigger issue than the unfair treatment of minorities. I'm Ok with sharing my legal name with lawyers (if they are involved in the project), but please, make sure they are the only ones who know me. That's much more effective policy than attempts to ensure that females, transgenders, inuits and who knows who else are not mistreated when the information needed to discriminate them is added to each and every message (and helpfully highlighted). It just makes no sense!
Posted Jan 8, 2022 0:03 UTC (Sat)
by pebolle (guest, #35204)
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> I'm Ok with sharing my legal name with lawyers (if they are involved in the project), but please, make sure they are the only ones who know me.
Because it's embarrassing to be known to contribute to Free Software?
I'm really struggling to make sense of your position here. I'm rather attached to things like privacy and anonymity but I still have no problems with projects wanting to match my contributions to my legal name. What's the harm?
Posted Jan 7, 2022 22:31 UTC (Fri)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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I don't think that's true. I have dozen of identities (because I prefer to join different communities as nobody without any preconditions) but I'm 100% sure someone with good detective skills may join all of them up. But most people are not that diligent, I've even had contributions in the same project listed with two separate identities. Why would you need to do that? At the point where you are involved deep enough with a certain community to visit the conference you original identity no longer matters, you may safely reveal who you are for real, except for a few gasps it rarely causes any long-lasting consequences.
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
> People can create a separate identity purely for the sake of contributing to open source projects, but they then need to be extremely careful not to link that to anything else.
Categorizing human being with nicknames and/or emails?
