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The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusionin open source

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusionin open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 21:55 UTC (Tue) by eplanit (guest, #121769)
Parent article: The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

It's sad to see this DEI trend spread so widely. I was going to make a joke about there likely being templates for such things....and of course: https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=dei+templates&ia...

I guess DEI is 2021's "Green Building Initiative".

I'm all for full participation in business and industry by all races and cultures; and, I like energy efficient buildings -- but these contrivances become predictable and annoying. It's almost like self-parody.


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The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusionin open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 22:08 UTC (Tue) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (2 responses)

The problem is that those in the majority fail to realise that their attitudes actively re-enforce that majority, and drive out dissenting voices. It's not deliberate, and it's not conscious, it just IS.

While I haven't read the report, the snippet from it seems to say to me "there IS a problem, and here's the evidence". It's up to us to take that on board and do something about it. DON'T leave it to someone else, try and meet minorities *more* than half way.

And yes, sometimes minorities alienate themselves. But if they don't feel able to be themselves in our company, then that's OUR problem, and we shouldn't be burying our head in the sand.

Cheers,
Wol

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusionin open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 23:24 UTC (Tue) by gerdesj (subscriber, #5446) [Link]

"While I haven't read the report"

It's not very long. Don't dive straight for the Conclusion because unlike in a scientific paper it is a finale and not a summary.

A simple first step to encourage an inclusive approach for yourself is to avoid using skin colour when describing someone. It is quite a tricky habit to get out of. As a useful side effect you get in the unconscious habit of noticing more details about people but it does take some effort to start with and takes years to become close to unconscious, depending on quite a few factors.

You might make a pact with your partner, family, friends or a group of colleagues and agree to call each other out. You might pick other attributes instead or add others. Do use common sense, though. Sometimes skin colour might be a useful attribute to use in a description but it should not be a primary discriminator that is reached for routinely.

I'm well aware that there is an awful lot more to an inclusive first mindset but it's a very positive and easily understood start that anyone can make without tying themselves up in knots.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusionin open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 23:35 UTC (Tue) by tux3 (subscriber, #101245) [Link]

To pull a couple numbers from the report, 82% of respondents reported they felt welcome in open source.
For men overall, the rate was 85%, for women 74%.
Respondents with LGBA+ sexual orientations also come in at 74% welcome.
The lowest subgroup reported in the study is "Black in North America" at 55%.

Among respondents that feel unwelcome, twice as many have disabilities compared to all respondents.
16% of unwelcome respondents were transgender, compared to 4% of all respondents.

This suggests the sort of attitudes that make people feel unwelcome doesn't affect every minority equally, which was not obvious to me.
From the above, there may exist some specific behaviors that the community might want to focus on first.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 23:32 UTC (Tue) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] (7 responses)

The report's not bad. It's not strident or SJW-ish; it just reports on what people's experiences are and gives pretty basic suggestions on how to improve the experiences.

That said, I belong to a minority group, which I don't go out of my way to advertise but which is pretty easy to discover with some Internet searches, and I've never felt unwelcome or excluded by an open-source project. I guess I've been lucky.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 21, 2021 23:55 UTC (Tue) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (4 responses)

I think the thing is, you feel comfortable here, and we've got to know you before we've realised there's something "different". I feel uncomfortable using that word, because "normal" isn't normal at all, but you know what I mean ...

But anyways, we got to know you as a person first, and that makes all the difference.

Cheers,
Wol

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 22, 2021 0:01 UTC (Wed) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

That's true and insightful.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 22, 2021 8:39 UTC (Wed) by ericonr (guest, #151527) [Link] (2 responses)

> But anyways, we got to know you as a person first, and that makes all the difference.

Should it make all the difference, though? If someone mentions at the start of an online conversation that they are blind, or have some motor issue, so "please excuse any typos", are they suddenly not a person?

People should be able to introduce themselves however they wish and remain people in everyone's eyes regardless of that.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 22, 2021 11:01 UTC (Wed) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (1 responses)

Whether it should or not, the fact is it does :-(

You may wish all you like that the moon is made of green cheese, that has no effect on reality.

To give a very good example of my own biases, I'm a native English speaker. "Everybody speaks my language". Unusually for the English, I actually find it rather offensive that we expect other people to use our native language.

So how I react to someone in an on-line forum is closely related to my *perceptions* of their nationality. If I think you're a foreigner struggling with English, I will put in effort to understand you. If I think you just can't be bothered to "speak proper", I'll ignore you.

And as somebody who has (tried to) learn at least four foreign languages I think my ability to tell the difference is pretty good, but I'm sure I make mistakes ...

Cheers,
Wol

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 23, 2021 9:04 UTC (Thu) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

As I get older, I've come to realise that there are almost as many languages calling themselves “English” as there are native speakers in England. There's a roiling sea of creole and rapidly changing euphemisms, and it feels like a national sport to make one's words a shallow alibi while silently yelling the underhanded true meaning between the lines. Both en-GB and en-US have unique spins on it but for some reason I find the original far more tiring.

So whenever there's the slightest hint it's not someone's first language and their tone sounds a bit off, I'm usually far more patient with them, because at worst they're trying to give me a recoverable lossy transcoding instead of obfuscation and injection attacks.

My rule of thumb for receiving FOSS contributions: the barrier to entry can only require learning at most 1 language. If they've already done that just to report a bug, it's downright arrogant to then fob them off by asking for patches.

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 22, 2021 8:02 UTC (Wed) by eduperez (guest, #11232) [Link]

> That said, I belong to a minority group, which I don't go out of my way to advertise but which is pretty easy to discover with some Internet searches, and I've never felt unwelcome or excluded by an open-source project. I guess I've been lucky.

I do not think you realize how insightful is your own comment...

The Linux Foundation's report on diversity, equity, and inclusion in open source

Posted Dec 22, 2021 13:34 UTC (Wed) by jafd (subscriber, #129642) [Link]

> That said, I belong to a minority group, which I don't go out of my way to advertise but which is pretty easy to discover with some Internet searches, and I've never felt unwelcome or excluded

Come on now, we know that there's hardly anything wrong with writing Perl.


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