Jörg Schilling is gone

Posted Oct 14, 2021 10:22 UTC (Thu) by pgeorgi (guest, #74838)
In reply to: Jörg Schilling is gone by malor
Parent article: Jörg Schilling is gone

> suddenly it was CDDL only

That might be because the CDDL only started to exist in 2005. Once something is available that you consider strictly superior, why go back?

> just the slightest bit of self-awareness on his part would have allowed his skill and participation to be meaningful

Meaningful to you, who wanted to use Jörg's software in a pre-packaged way. His software wasn't any less available to him, or to anybody who bothered to download a tarballs and compile themselves.

The GPL/CDDL thing is a distraction and merely served as catalyst: people had been unhappy with cdrecord's UI for a while at that point and moving from SCSI-style addressing to /dev/* style address was about the first thing wodim did. At that point the rift was unsurmountable, no matter the license.

Jörg Schilling is gone

Posted Oct 14, 2021 20:06 UTC (Thu) by malor (guest, #2973) [Link] (2 responses)

>Once something is available that you consider strictly superior, why go back?

Because the rest of the community you supposedly want to be a part of doesn't agree that it's better, and definitely agrees that it's incompatible with their chosen license? Because adopting that license means that you're forever shut out of every distro, which you then complain about for the rest of your life? He obviously wanted to be a part of the community, or he wouldn't have been complaining, but wasn't willing to take even the tiniest step to actually make that happen, instead resorting to vague legal threats.

>Meaningful to you, who wanted to use Jörg's software in a pre-packaged way. His software wasn't any less available to him, or to anybody who bothered to download a tarballs and compile themselves.

And I'm sure he and his tens of users were very happy. But obviously not happy enough, or he wouldn't have been bitching to all and sundry about his software not being included in distros anymore.

>At that point the rift was unsurmountable, no matter the license.

Only for an entirely ridiculous person that was unable to appreciate the validity of the viewpoints of other people. The SCSI syntax he insisted on wasn't even relevant anymore. It offered no actual benefit, and just made things hard.

SCSI CDROMs were already very rare, even when he was arguing about it, and they certainly don't exist in any meaningful way now. Yet, he still insisted on a labeling model based on SCSI chains. It was ridiculous on its face, and you're being ridiculous to support it now and even pretend that it was any actual barrier to inclusion.

Jörg Schilling is gone

Posted Oct 14, 2021 20:14 UTC (Thu) by rodgerd (guest, #58896) [Link] (1 responses)

> He obviously wanted to be a part of the community, or he wouldn't have been complaining, but wasn't willing to take even the tiniest step to actually make that happen, instead resorting to vague legal threats.

I wonder how many people complain about Jorg while praising rms for the same mindset.

Jörg Schilling is gone

Posted Oct 14, 2021 21:05 UTC (Thu) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> I wonder how many people complain about Jorg while praising rms for the same mindset.

RMS and FSF has a long history of resolving licensing issues like GPL violations in private and in good faith. I am not seeing the same mindset at play here.