KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 10:08 UTC (Sun) by vivo (subscriber, #48315)
Parent article: KDE Gear 21.08

wow, the two previous comment openers are both negative, and that's 100% of the comment openers.
Why is that? Maybe KDE is perceived as an European project?
Well, in that case be informed that it's actually a really global one with hundreds of people from all around the world contributing.

Since we are here let me state that personally linux + KDE is the best OS in the wild, nothing compare to it, Apple, Microsoft, RedHat, none of them has been able to make something comparable in functionality and usability.

Nothing is perfect but KDE makes it's bugs bearable and consider bug as bug not features

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 10:21 UTC (Sun) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (6 responses)

I think the problem is the same as the vi/emacs wars. Certainly Gnome seems to be a very marmite UI, but it's also the dominant UI. Personally I hate it.

Cue a lot of religious fanatics on both sides trying to "persuade" people to swap :-) Unfortunately that's life - you see it everywhere, not just in Free/Open software ...

Cheers,
Wol

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 16, 2021 12:57 UTC (Mon) by vasvir (subscriber, #92389) [Link] (4 responses)

I had to look it up.

A marmite (slang) thing means that either you love it or hate it.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 16, 2021 20:03 UTC (Mon) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (3 responses)

I've heard that Marmite (yeast extract) is banned in the US. It's very much a Brit thing. And in Oz they have Vegemite.

But because they are both very distinctive tastes (and very strong), yes it is a case of it divides people. And the manufacturer plays on that :-)

Cheers,
Wol

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 16, 2021 23:07 UTC (Mon) by mjg59 (subscriber, #23239) [Link] (1 responses)

> I've heard that Marmite (yeast extract) is banned in the US.

It's not.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 17, 2021 14:21 UTC (Tue) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

I am expecting they are thinking of Bovril which was banned during the BSE outbreaks in Britain.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 17, 2021 7:53 UTC (Tue) by vasvir (subscriber, #92389) [Link]

Oh you are talking about this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite

I wasn't aware of that.

I always thought that marmite was a big metallic ball where food is cooked. I believed that the word had french origin due to Asterix. After all the marmite is where the magic portion is made in Asterix.

Apparently I was right on this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite_(cooking_dish)

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 17, 2021 5:50 UTC (Tue) by daniel (guest, #3181) [Link]

I've been spending quite a lot of time in Windows 10 lately and I can confidently state that Windows has now become just a pale imitation of KDE. Basically, KDE took what was good from Windows and Nix, combined them elegantly and went on to improve from there (overlooking for the moment the disaster that was KDE 4.0).

Basically, the number of WTF moments in KDE is way less than Windows. The vast majority of the time you hardly even notice it, it just lies under your fingers exactly as a good desktop should. And when you do need/want to customize it, the knobs you need are almost always there, with a good deal of thought obviously put into just how those features are presented.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 11:42 UTC (Sun) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link]

> wow, the two previous comment openers are both negative, and that's 100% of the comment openers.
> Why is that?

Doesn't seem all that different from GNOME articles, honestly. It takes "haters" seconds to pick something to nitpick, but those who actually like it might actually take their time to evaluate.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 18:02 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

> wow, the two previous comment openers are both negative, and that's 100% of the comment openers.
> Why is that?
Because two random people on the net decided to post negative comments. How is this something that needs an explanation??

> Nothing is perfect but KDE makes it's bugs bearable and consider bug as bug not features
Really? Then why is their Wayland support such a dumpster fire? It just crashes all the time. Instead they get excited about thumbnails and colour previews in a terminal emulator. Like anyone cares.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 19:03 UTC (Sun) by jem (subscriber, #24231) [Link] (1 responses)

If KDE Wayland "crashes all the time" then you can probably tell an easy way to reproduce a crash. I haven't been able to do that. I have had some other gripes with it, but no crashes for a long time.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 15, 2021 21:55 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

> If KDE Wayland "crashes all the time" then you can probably tell an easy way to reproduce a crash.
No, I went back to X11 due to the constant crashing.

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 16, 2021 7:25 UTC (Mon) by oldtomas (guest, #72579) [Link] (1 responses)

Funny how you interpret things.

I assume mine is one of the "negative" comment openers you are referring to.

I consider myself deeply European, having been born in one EU country and living in another, speaking fluently three-and-a-half European languages.

Not everything is about "nationalist wars", luckily :-)

The other interpretation, that of KDE vs Gnome downstream also falls short, alas, as I was advocating for xterm: I did try Gnome terminal for a while.

Actually, at the beginning, I was more or less in the Gnome backwaters, up until... Gnome 2.

What I actually admire about X is what is best describe by their phrase that they provide "mechanism, not policy". That's what I miss in those over-complex DEs and their frameworks, which seem like a fractally twisted mille-feuille [1] of mechanism and policy on top of each other. But that's me.

And here we are at that other: "negative". You can only perceive that as negative if you tacitly assume that everyone else /has/ to like what you do. I'm saying: be happy with your KTerm. Let me be happy with my xterm.

If you squint that way, it's not negative at all :-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mille-feuille

KDE Gear 21.08

Posted Aug 16, 2021 11:03 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

What I actually admire about X is what is best describe by their phrase that they provide "mechanism, not policy". That's what I miss in those over-complex DEs and their frameworks,

Providing policy is one of the main points (perhaps the main point) of having a DE in the first place. Without a well-designed DE, you're basically where X11 was in the late 1980s, with every application providing its own look and feel and no consistency between any two of them. KDE (and GNOME) exist basically in order to fill that void.

X11 at first left out “policy” mostly to be able to gain traction in the industry. The people behind it realised that they would be unlikely to get the likes of DEC, Sun, etc. (some of whom had their own horses in the race already) to standardise on a complete common DE from the get-go, and so they concentrated instead on providing a means for different DEs to interoperate. This approach was then touted as a “feature”. They deliberately left the details of “look and feel” (IOW, policy) to the individual OS manufacturers. Common-DE efforts such as OSF/Motif and, indeed, KDE and GNOME, only came along later.