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Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with

Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with

Posted Mar 1, 2021 18:15 UTC (Mon) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with by anholt
Parent article: Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with

> And, for the Red Hats of the world taking money for shipping s390x, it's actually their job then to make s390x work, not anyone else. But then, I don't see RHers doing so in my world, it's more in the open source purists where I see the push-back against regressing hobby hardware.

Let's not forget that it's those same "open source purists" that have received little to no direct compensation for their efforts over the years and are now finding that the social contract has been unilaterally changed on them.

That "non-hobby" stuff cuts both ways; why should they continue supporting non-hobby users when it's clear it's not reciprocated?


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Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with

Posted Mar 1, 2021 18:54 UTC (Mon) by anholt (guest, #52292) [Link] (1 responses)

I've made a lucrative career out of being an open source purist[1]. So have the open source developers I work with daily.

I've also been solidly on the hobbyist side, back when I was a college student porting drivers to FreeBSD just because I wanted to (though I did a couple of times get a "free" graphics card from a contractor who would have had to do the porting otherwise, and I thought that was a pretty sweet deal at the time and I still appreciate what they did for me).

I agree there are some weaknesses in corporate interests supporting shared infrastructure of open source, particularly for efforts like reproducible builds or CI farms. But of the open source software that I'm relying on, I see it overwhelmingly written and maintained by caring open source developers who are doing it in their day jobs, not by people like me-in-college doing it for fun.

[1] I've stooped as low as "run closed source simulators as part of otherwise pure open source driver development" and "hold unreleased-hardware driver code behind closed doors for up to a year before releasing under the MIT license", and I once got burned by a vendor who never let us release our few thousand lines of work we did before we caught on that the project was doomed. So, not as pure as the more pure people I know, who incidentally are also employed full time in free software.

Woodruff: Weird architectures weren't supported to begin with

Posted Mar 1, 2021 20:43 UTC (Mon) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link]

> [1] I've stooped as low as "run closed source simulators as part of otherwise pure open source driver development" and "hold unreleased-hardware driver code behind closed doors for up to a year before releasing under the MIT license",

If you're not a Free Software Fanatic, why not? And even then, when you look at the RMS printer story, what you did should be perfectly okay!

> and I once got burned by a vendor who never let us release our few thousand lines of work we did before we caught on that the project was doomed. So, not as pure as the more pure people I know, who incidentally are also employed full time in free software.

Which is when you realise the NDA should have said "while the product is in pre-release development", not "until the product is released".

Cheers,
Wol


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