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Tackling the monopoly problem

By Jonathan Corbet
January 29, 2021

LCA
There was a time when people who were exploring computational technology saw it as the path toward decentralization and freedom worldwide. What we have ended up with, instead, is a world that is increasingly centralized, subject to surveillance, and unfree. How did that come to be? In a keynote at the online 2021 linux.conf.au event, Cory Doctorow gave his view of this problem and named its source: monopoly.

Doctorow started by saying that many see the people who pushed technology in the last century as blind, naive optimists. In this view, technologists thought that if we just gave everybody a computer, everything would be fine; they failed to foresee how technology could become a dystopian force. He knows some of those people, mostly through his 20 years working with the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), and he does not agree with this view. The truth of the matter is that nobody starts an organization like EFF because they think that everything is going to be great. Those founders were excited about how amazing things could be, but also terrified about how badly it could all go. They wanted to get technology into people's hands, but also to get the technology policy right.

When all this was just getting started, he said, technology was a fringe activity; the only reason to get involved was if you were truly passionate about it. Think about the first time you wrote some code; it was about crisply expressing your will. If this were done with sufficient precision, the computer would manifest your desire forever. Add a modem to the system and you could manifest that will around the world. Solve a problem you [Cory Doctorow] have, and everybody else can click a button to have your code perform the same trick for them.

Programs are often compared to recipes, but the truth is not quite like that; with a recipe, others still have to gather the ingredients and actually carry out the necessary steps. Software is a self-cooking recipe, which is much more powerful.

With software and the Internet, it also become possible to discover communities. There are, out there, people with rare traits that are important to you; these may be people who understand "black lives matter" or non-binary gender — or they may be Nazis. When you find people who know the words for the things you feel, it is empowering and makes you feel passionate. This ability, like the ability to write code, delivers self-determination, the ability to decide how life will go.

Fights about technology policy are all about self determination, he continued. He gave as examples Richard Stallman's lack of access to a printer driver (leading to the creation of the GNU project) and the classic Bill Gates rant against those who were copying his BASIC interpreter. Doctorow also talked about the USENET alt.* hierarchy as an example of how these stories can go. USENET was the first social part of the Internet; in its early days it was under the control of a group called the "backbone cabal". These were the administrators of systems that were able to get away with using large amounts of their employers' long-distance phone time for long-haul links. Worried that their bosses would discover a USENET full of "porn and bomb recipes", the cabal retained a veto on the creation of new groups (among other things).

The straw that broke the camel's back was a decision to block the creation of "rec.cooking", saying that it should be called "talk.cooking" instead. In response, the community created the "alt" hierarchy where anybody could create a new group; the first such group was "alt.gourmand". After a couple of years, the "alt" hierarchy was larger than the rest of USENET. Everybody, it seemed, wanted self determination.

A perfect market?

We could use more self determination now, he said. We have "total tech penetration", but also centralization, surveillance, and digital manipulation. "How did we lose so badly?" It comes down to a threat that was under-appreciated at the time. With such a dynamic environment, where new technologies could quickly supersede old ones and new companies were popping up left and right, monopolization seemed unlikely. But the technologists of the time didn't understand the role of anti-monopoly enforcers in creating the world they were seeing.

For example, he first got a modem in 1982, which happens to be the year that AT&T was broken up. Among other things, AT&T did not want people to own or use modems; managers there understood that the spread of digital technology would likely take the premium out of many telecom services. After the breakup by antitrust enforcers, though, modems and bulletin-board systems took over, thanks to the crash in long-distance rates.

Or think about the rise of the IBM PC — a machine without an operating system supplied by IBM. In those days, IBM was the bully of the computing industry and the subject of constant antitrust efforts by the US government. The company spent twelve years in "antitrust hell", but eventually settled the case. When it came time to market the PC, though, IBM was still recovering from that experience, part of which was the result of its forced bundling of hardware and software. Feeling that it couldn't create its own PC operating system without getting back into trouble, it instead bought one from Microsoft.

The first PC clones showed up almost immediately — clones that were able to run Microsoft's operating system. Soon there was a thriving, competitive industry among clone sellers, leading to the rise of companies like Dell and Compaq. These companies took over the market initially created by IBM. It seemed like that was just how the technology market works, but there is a fundamental reason why IBM didn't crush that industry at its birth: the antitrust case. IBM did not want to become the effort of renewed antitrust enforcement, so it had to stand by while the PC-clone market took off.

Then, there is Microsoft, which was an outcome of that antitrust enforcement. Microsoft, too, became a monopolist and became the target of antitrust action; that action arrived too late to save Netscape but, after enduring it for years, Microsoft was "terrorized" by the experience. So when Google was founded, Microsoft did not crush it; Google subsequently "ate Microsoft's lunch".

It seemed like we had a perfect market in technology; one just needed a cool idea and a keyboard, and there would be a global audience just waiting to hand over its money. Switching costs would always be low; if some firm became dominant, it was just a matter of reverse-engineering its formats and protocols to open things up again.

The end of antitrust

What we didn't understand, Doctorow said, was that antitrust law was destroyed in the US by a man named Robert Bork. He is a "perfect market" theorist, who thought that monopolies were good. Laws against monopolies, he argued, only applied if it could be shown that a given situation was causing harm to consumers. At the same time, he made proving that harm nearly impossible. In this world, companies could create monopolies with impunity.

It is fashionable now to say that the concentration in the technology industry is a result of factors like network effects, first-mover advantages, and data moats. But that is not how these companies created and grew their monopolies; when you have all the money you could need, he said, you can just buy success. Google has made "1.5 successful products" in-house (the search engine and a Hotmail clone); everything else has been bought from elsewhere. These are companies that Google would have been blocked from buying under a strong antitrust regime. Meanwhile many of the other things Google did try to create internally have ended up in the "Google graveyard".

Network effects are real, but they are also a double-edged sword when interoperability comes into play. One source of interoperability is technology standards, but another is what he calls "adversarial interoperability" or "competitive compatibility". AT&T used to block interoperability by forbidding the attachment of outside equipment to the phone network; once that ban went away, the market for telephone equipment took off. Myspace had a set of captive users — until Facebook created a bot to scrape users' information from the site and port it over.

Given a chance, companies will create interoperability one way or another, making the market more competitive. This kind of interoperability has been criminalized, though, through mechanisms like copyright, patents, and terms of service. Oracle's ongoing lawsuit alleging that Google violated the copyright on its Java APIs is a classic example. Companies that own this sort of monopoly are doubly fortunate, since the government will intervene to defend the monopoly against those who would try to break it.

What to do

Maybe, Doctorow allowed, early technology enthusiasts were a little blind after all and, once the money started to flow, they wanted some of it for themselves. The mythology of that age, where a bright idea developed in a garage somewhere could take over the world, helped to salve a lot of consciences. But those days are behind us; if you have a bright idea now, you are not going to be making a lot of money from it; nobody wants to invest in companies trying to compete with the big monopolists. The dream now is not to create a successful company, it's to be acquired by a technology giant. Meanwhile, big tech, which no long need fear losing its customers, has pivoted to abusing them. The code to carry out this abuse is written by techies like those in the audience, he said; for many people, their full-time job is now taking away others' self determination.

The last couple of years, though, have started to see mass walkouts from some of the big firms. There have been protests against the development of facial-recognition technology and pushes for workplace unionization. An early precedent for this kind of change of heart, he said, can be found in Robert Oppenheimer, who managed the Manhattan Project to create atomic weapons for the US. He came to deeply regret his role in the creation of those weapons and redirected his life toward fighting nuclear proliferation. Doctorow said that he has spent much of his life "trying to create more Oppenheimers" through his books.

In the early days of the ecology movement there was no "ecology movement"; instead, there was a large collection of individual causes. Some people were fighting to save owls, others were working on water issues, and so on. They all thought they were fighting for different things until the word "ecology" pulled it all together into a single movement, helped by the celebration of the first Earth Day.

We are, he said, approaching a similar moment with the fight against monopoly, which is not unique to the technology industry. Almost every field is dominated by a small number of companies, to our detriment. The fact that there is only one company in the US that makes the right sort of glass bottles has hampered vaccine distribution, for example. As people come to understand the fights against monopoly, they'll come to understand that there are allies everywhere; we are all on the same side.

The tech giants, he concluded, say that there is something special about the technology industry that leads to the creation of monopolies. But we have been there before, and we know how to deal with monopolies. We just have to mobilize and make it happen.

Index entries for this article
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Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 17:37 UTC (Fri) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link] (12 responses)

It seems to me that ever since I graduate from High School (41 years ago), people have been becoming more and more hysterical and pessimistic about everything they see as wrong with the world. Many seem to be engaged in revising history to match their view of why things are the way they are.

Am I just getting old, or are people really getting crazier?

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 18:05 UTC (Fri) by jpsamaroo (subscriber, #129727) [Link]

Maybe the reason we're seeing people getting "crazier" and more pessimistic is that, due to people becoming increasingly interconnected at an unprecedented pace, the realization that injustice and inequality are occurring all around us is becoming a commonplace understanding. These problems are not new, they just take a different form than similar issues from our past. But now that everyone sees these injustices for what they are (thanks in large part to the efforts of people like Cory), it's become a big deal that a large portion of the population cares about.

Are individuals reporting revised or manipulated histories? Certainly. But so are the tech giants and monopolies, and they have a much greater ability to shove their version of the truth down the world's throat.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 18:11 UTC (Fri) by Tomasu (guest, #39889) [Link]

Perhaps we just know more about the world now with all the instant access to information.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 18:54 UTC (Fri) by smoogen (subscriber, #97) [Link]

I don't see any more mass of people being worried about the past and the future than before. The issue is that most of us when we were young ignored it and went about our lives without filters. Those stories that our parents, grandparents etc talked about 'the War', 'the Depression' etc were far in the past and god do we have to hear it another time. [And for the most part we just let it go in one ear and out the other.]

Then we get out of the house and start living. We start collecting our own stories and we see that a lot of things happen to us and people we know. We start looking back and going 'hmm maybe putting all my money into Netscape stock right before it tanked wasn't a good idea even though everyone on alt.invest said it was a sure thing. Maybe I should tell that kid in engineering that RobinHood app might have some problems.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 20:25 UTC (Fri) by BirAdam (guest, #132170) [Link]

This is all a matter of perspective and the varying levels of care one gives.

I am not on social media except for this site and one or two others. I don't really engage in internet meme culture. I don't really pay much attention to mainstream news. Most of the time, I can go blissfully unaware of all of these various problems. Life is fine.

On the other hand, I still do read summaries of the news on Fridays from multiple sources. In many cases, care is warranted. Long before people starting caring about privacy and tech monopolies, I degoogled. This happened when Google changed the terms of service of Blogger.com in 2006. At that time, I started using metcrawler and other search engines, got off gmail, and not too long after that deleted my Facebook account. What became apparent to me was that I was merely the product of the companies and not a customer.

Like everyone else, I was lead to a world of renting things. I rented media through subscription services, and I owned very little. No books, because I can get them electronically from Amazon. No music, because I can use Pandora, Apple Music, Spotify. No movies, because I use Netflix, HBO Now, and whatever else. This is stupid. I am not constantly listening to new music, or watching new movies. I could easily simply buy an album or two, or a movie or two each month for a lower price than I am paying each month to gain access to them. This is a harder habit to break. If the "wrong" sort got into governmnet, it would be trivial to order this handful of companies to erase any media that paints them in a bad light. It would be trivial to change the history of our world.

The monopolies don't just turn you into a product. They make you incapable of leaving them by changing the world around you. It is now expected that you be reachable via email, slack, mattermost, zoom, teams, or whatever at all times by your employer. It is expected that your electronic leash be nice and tight around your mental neck. Meanwhile, whichever monopolist silo your in will gather all of your data and make it available to anyone for the right price. It would be absolutely trivial for a government to simply take all of that data... oh wait, the NSA already does that. It would be trivial for a government to weaponize all of that data against its population.

41 years ago this wasn't the case. A phone was a phone (though possibly monitored by a government). Music was a tape or a record. A movie was a tape. TV was a few channels. News was a paper. Now it's all just ephemera.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 20:38 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

The advertising industry is the driving force behind most of the (domestic) insanity we see today.

When you're constantly bombarded with inputs all contending for urgency, it becomes increasingly hard to keep track of which things are important and which are bullshit. As should be obvious to anyone here, Google makes most of its riches by using computers to convert the cortisol of chronically-distracted people into dollars at scale. (As an aside: if you know anything about how the ad industry works, particularly the insanity they call “attribution”, you know that they grift each other far more than the muggles they peddle other people's wares to. It's bullshit all the way down.)

We can see more insidious groups are now arriving to capitalise on that chaos. It's not going to go away by targeting them, any more than you can put out a cooking oil fire with water.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 29, 2021 23:24 UTC (Fri) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link]

> Am I just getting old, or are people really getting crazier?

My personal experience is a bit of both. In an era where misinformation is so easily spread to millions and with internet (and world in general) where winner takes most, it is not surprising things are getting crazier. And with me getting older, I notice it more.

Do not worry, the future is bright: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_timeline_from_Big...

:-)

Hysteria

Posted Jan 30, 2021 7:30 UTC (Sat) by marcthe12 (subscriber, #135461) [Link]

Last time communication was slow and localized. So the crazies which always existed were isolated. Thanks to the internet they have become a vocal minority. Also malicious people also now have a easy way to trick gullible people to believe crazy stuff and use confirmation bias against them. So basicaly it was alway there but well contained properly but now it exposed them.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 30, 2021 16:39 UTC (Sat) by eplanit (guest, #121769) [Link] (1 responses)

Hey we're the same age.

Back then, whether one was Democratic or Republican or whatever, we all had the same 3+PBS TV networks, and therefore shared (or at least were familiar with) most news sources and popular culture references -- plus, "news" was only for an hour or two each day, not constant; and, it was more akin to journalism than the opinions and activism that are called news now.

To exist in a "bubble" back then took effort, whereas today it's _normal_ for people to communicate only with like-minded people via social media, and to hear about things only from the perspective they align with. I see social media, as far as it has manifested itself so far, as a net negative for society. Maybe it can be re-conceived in a better form.

Hysteria

Posted Jan 31, 2021 17:03 UTC (Sun) by bduncan (subscriber, #6886) [Link]

Well said.

The media now is incentivized to amplify everyone's world view, rather than report on news objectively.
An interesting, funny, but serious look at this is here: https://waitbutwhy.com/2019/08/story-of-us.html

The last chapter has a lot to say about Political Polarization.
https://waitbutwhy.com/2020/01/sick-giant.html

Somehow, we need to get back to incentivizing actually reporting on news objectively again.

Hysteria

Posted Feb 2, 2021 13:36 UTC (Tue) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454) [Link]

It’s not hysteria, it’s a slow realization that technology is enabling ever greater excesses (without humans becoming wiser to cope with them).

We are making ourselves as powerful as the Greek gods of old. The end result is nor going to be pretty – Greek mythology is not full of Disney-approved happy stories.

Hysteria

Posted Feb 5, 2021 10:30 UTC (Fri) by anton (subscriber, #25547) [Link]

About 41 years ago Neoliberalism, which promotes selfishness as a virtue, got traction with Thatcher in the UK and Reagan in the USA, and the rest of the first world followed a little later. And since then the income and wealth of the top 10% have risen more than the average (and the top 1% even more, and the top 0.1% even more), and the rest often did not see an (inflation adjusted) income increase, in contrast to the developments before that time. So even just looking at economics, it's no surprise if the rest have a pessimistic outlook. But I think that the reframing of selfishness as a virtue also dims the outlook. If you regularly think that everybody, not just criminals, is trying to take advantage of you, and that you should do that, too, I don't think that this results in a healthy state-of-mind for a social animal.

The connection with Doctorow's talk is that the end of antitrust action can be argued from neoliberal beliefs (the market does not need state intervention to work).

Doctorow gave another version of this talk at rc3. What I remember from that version and what was not mentioned in the article (maybe it was not in the linux.conf.au talk) is the role of "intellectual property" laws in this trend towards monopolies: The big companies use these laws to harness the state to support them in upholding and enhancing their monopolies.

Hysteria

Posted Feb 5, 2021 20:04 UTC (Fri) by gfernandes (subscriber, #119910) [Link]

So do you mean that the world collectively imagined Cambridge Analytica?

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Jan 29, 2021 19:40 UTC (Fri) by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330) [Link] (13 responses)

You posted a sanitized version of the alt.* history; in reality alt.drugs and alt.gourmand were created on the same day, and John Gilmore's desire to have a group that discussed recreational drugs was far more of an issue than the backbone cabal's petty fussing over the naming of Brian Reid's desired recipe group. But perhaps the alt.gourmand newgroup message went out first, so it may be technically correct.

(Wikipedia has this same version).

From Brian Reid, one of the people responsible:

"The famous barbecue at which the alt net was created was held at G.T.'s Sunset Barbecue in Mountain View California on May 7, 1987. John Gilmore and I were both unhappy with the decision making process of the 'ordinary' net. John was distressed because they wouldn't create rec.drugs, and I was distressed because they wanted to force me to adopt the name 'rec.food.recipes' for my recipe newsgroup. Gordon Moffett of Amdahl also sat with us. He had no specific beef or goal, but he wanted to help. John's home computer was 'hoptoad'; my home computer was 'mejac'. We set up a link between us, and each of us set up a link to amdahl, and we vowed to pass all alt traffic to each other and to nurse the net along. In those days one sent out numerous newgroup messages in the hopes that one would 'take'; by the end of May the groups alt.test, alt.config, alt.drugs, and alt.gourmand were active. At the time I also managed 'decwrl', so I quietly added 'alt' to the list of groups that it carried.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Jan 30, 2021 22:40 UTC (Sat) by rra (subscriber, #99804) [Link] (11 responses)

This is one of the reasons why I'm always skeptical of Doctorow. He says a lot of idealistic things that I largely agree with, but whenever he starts talking about the specifics of something I have personal knowledge of, such as Usenet history, he gets many of the details wrong. He invents an artificial history (presumably with the best of intentions) that supports his political cause. I can only assume that the things he says about topics I don't know something about contain similar amounts of nonsense.

The real history of Usenet is not kind to his theory that the problem was lack of self-determination. alt.* did not replace the managed hierarchies; it supplemented them. Both systems had different problems and worked in different situations, and we probably needed both of them. And it turned out that most people were not clamoring for self-determination as much as they simply wanted groups on specific topics. The managed hierarchies over time stopped being such prudes, and then started working much better, while the free-for-all of alt.* turned out to have other problems (such as massively overwhelming text discussion groups with pirated erotica, to which I have no real moral objection but for which Usenet was an absurdly poorly-designed transport mechanism).

The world is complicated and messy and not amenable to simple, idealistic stories. I mistrust people with simple political explanations backed up by just-so stories.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 1, 2021 22:28 UTC (Mon) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link] (8 responses)

Personal pet peeve: Google has made "1.5 successful products" in-house

The truth is, Google has developed a few software products, services and devices. Chrome, Translator or ChromeCast are good examples.

It is just too easy (and dangerous) to abuse hyperbole and, in the process, to lose credibility. It don't mean that any of the other things he said was false, but one feels so much less inclined to believe them after reading this.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 2, 2021 0:18 UTC (Tue) by wahern (subscriber, #37304) [Link] (2 responses)

Chrome was based on WebKit, itself a fork of KHTML, which it supplanted as the community browser. In 2013 Google permanently forked WebKit as Blink, which is what Chrome is now based on. Google invested a considerable amount of effort into WebKit, and of course Chrome, but it certainly didn't start from scratch.

Chrome isn't the kind of product I think Cory Doctorow had in mind. It's difficult to say that it contradicts his point because it just doesn't fit the framing.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 2, 2021 1:51 UTC (Tue) by notriddle (subscriber, #130608) [Link] (1 responses)

That still leaves Translate. And Maps.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 2, 2021 3:30 UTC (Tue) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Maps

"Google Maps began as a C++ desktop program at Where 2 Technologies. In October 2004, the company was acquired by Google, which converted it into a web application. After additional acquisitions ....."

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Posted Feb 3, 2021 8:04 UTC (Wed) by rsidd (subscriber, #2582) [Link] (4 responses)

And if they bought other products from elsewhere, so what? Android, YouTube, etc bear little resemblance to what they were when acquired. Google has developed them for most of their lifetime.

Microsoft has acquired products too—Skype, GitHub, etc—with nowhere near as much success. (Microsoft Powerpoint was a successful acquisition, but from the distant past.) GitHub is fine but not radically different from what it used to be. Skype is fine too, but completely missed the boat on the 2020 videoconferencing boom (as did Google, to a lesser extent). Zoom is proof that there is still room for a new product from a newcomer if the established powerhouses aren't delivering.

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Posted Feb 3, 2021 8:41 UTC (Wed) by neilbrown (subscriber, #359) [Link] (1 responses)

> And if they bought other products from elsewhere, so what?

The "so what" is right there in the title: "Monopoly problem".

Undoubtedly google has made these products "better" in some ways, partly because of the strength they could bring from being a monopoly in other areas. This effectively reduces choice.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing? It depends. Monopolies aren't intrinsically bad, just potentially bad. They need to be carefully watched, and regulators need to be ready to act.

The behaviour here of acquiring loosely related technologies and binding them together is a warning sign of monopolistic behaviour. It is good to be aware of the warning signs, but also important to avoid reading more into them than is there.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 11, 2021 8:43 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190) [Link]

"Monopolies aren't intrinsically bad, just potentially bad"

...isn't that rather begging the question?

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 6, 2021 3:10 UTC (Sat) by ssmith32 (subscriber, #72404) [Link] (1 responses)

Yah, youtube got better for a while (while they still had the "make a great product, and then figure out the profit" thing going) and then, over the last few years, got worse. Worse as a product, and content, even ignoring the crazier parts.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 10, 2021 13:40 UTC (Wed) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link]

Personally I find that the content has gotten better. Oh, don't misunderstand me, there's tons, tons, tons, and tons of shit on YouTube.
You don't have to subscribe to the shit though.

In the earlier days of YouTube it was quite unlikely that you could find high quality video content about arts and crafts. Nowadays you have Wintergatan & Wintergatan 2, This Old Tony, a billion of videos about wood turning, channels about making cosplay outfits, etc. There are plenty of interesting content about mathematics and physics.

Even the suggestion algorithm seems to work quite well, at least for me; it's extremely rare that I get suggestions that I don't enjoy.

The only annoying thing is interstitial ads, but it's up to the channel owners to decide whether they enable them or not. Luckily my favourite channel doesn't.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 4, 2021 17:06 UTC (Thu) by jwarnica (subscriber, #27492) [Link]

And the PC story seems a little... selective... as well.

My understanding - mostly because of Robert X. Cringely - was that the PC team simply had no time to build their own stuff. The first IBM PC was open because they didn't have time to build anything except the BIOS as custom.

Sidebar re popularization (was: Tackling the monopoly problem)

Posted Feb 6, 2021 13:07 UTC (Sat) by davecb (subscriber, #1574) [Link]

Mr Doctorow is trying to summarize history, a brutally hard task. Almost as hard as writing a non-misleading headline.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 2, 2021 19:32 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Don't forget the obviously-necessary counterpart groups alt.sex and alt.rock-and-roll (I *think* they were created on the same day: if not, very near it in time. Memory fades...)

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Posted Jan 29, 2021 20:46 UTC (Fri) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047) [Link]

> What we didn't understand, Doctorow said, was that antitrust law was destroyed in the US by a man named Robert Bork.

Well, that explains a lot. No wonder it's felt like antitrust and other consumer protection laws in the US were borken; they literally were!

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 3, 2021 19:32 UTC (Wed) by klossner (subscriber, #30046) [Link] (5 responses)

"IBM did not want to become the effort of renewed antitrust enforcement, so it had to stand by while the PC-clone market took off."

That's not completely true. IBM went after companies that copied their BIOS.

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Posted Feb 3, 2021 21:24 UTC (Wed) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (4 responses)

The other thing about the PC is that it suffered from the classic problem of new products in old companies. The young guard could see that PCs were the future. The old guard saw it as a threat to the minis and mainframes.

So I'm not sure that IBM stood by - the old guard at IBM actively tried to sabotage the PC division, fearful for their own jobs. What people like that can't see is if they don't keep it in-house, competitors will threaten the survival not only of their jobs, but the entire company!

What saved IBM was it was about the only company that made mainframes, and the companies that needed them paid IBM what it took ...

(Mainframes and PC servers are *not* interchangeable - the main component in a PC is the CPU, the main component in a mainframe is the network card or disk controller ... it's like comparing a shire horse and a thoroughbred.)

Cheers,
Wol

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Posted Feb 5, 2021 11:04 UTC (Fri) by anton (subscriber, #25547) [Link] (3 responses)

And yet we hear supposedly great things about mainframe CPUs (e.g., decimal FP), but nothing about mainframe network cards or disk controllers.

My impression is that the USPs of mainframes are the legacy software, and their marketing and sales force.

Concerning the IBM PC, my impression from reading a bit on its history recently is that the design team was a skunk works operation. They wanted to make something cheap quickly, to be competetive with the established microcomputer makers (Apple, Commodore, Tandy), so they avoided all the usual IBM procedures, and preferred external suppliers to IBM-internal suppliers for cost reasons and to avoid the associated bureaucracy. They made a machine with slots because that was what the Apple II had that some in the design team had, and which they found good; and I think that history proved that they were right.

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Posted Feb 5, 2021 19:22 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (2 responses)

> My impression is that the USPs of mainframes are the legacy software, and their marketing and sales force.

There was another important thing they did: uptime / availability. Whether through hotswappable everything or clustering, if you wanted a service that just kept running for decades with maintenance scheduled years in advance, before widespread networking and cloudy stuff your choice was mainframes or nothing. (Major telco billing is the classic case: this *must* work, since if it doesn't, either all calls are free while the service is down or nobody can make calls -- and back then in the days of national telcos this probably meant nobody at all could make calls, nationwide, except for engineering and other free numbers. I suppose you can add things like credit/debit card networks to that as well, but not to such a degree since back then it was all done in a big daily batch so in theory the things could be down for a few hours and nobody would notice. AIUI, that was never true of telco systems.)

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 5, 2021 19:52 UTC (Fri) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (1 responses)

Admittedly I've almost never worked on a mainframe, but when I did there was ROW UPON ROW of disk drives - 30 or 40? more? - and banks of tape drives, all linked to the one computer. The i/o must have been *awesome*. And when you hear stories about modern mainframes it still is.

When you look at a PC carrying a typical mainframe workload, the CPU is well overspec'd for the job. Most of the i/o in a mainframe is DMA'd in all directions and the cpu is well underpowered for what a PC guy would expect because it's just not needed - it's all off-loaded onto the peripheral boards.

Cheers,
Wol

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 12, 2021 20:53 UTC (Fri) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link]

The PC platform is really the odd one out: overpowered CPU with weak RAM and I/O seems to be the running theme. Compare that to mainframes, or the new Mac chips, or phone SoCs, or even game consoles (which on paper just look like weak PCs - but they often have mainframe amounts of I/O and offloading).

I find it a bit depressing that between buying a PC motherboard that costs as much as a new game and one that costs as much as a new game *console*, you're likely to still see the same trashy CPU-hungry 10-cent chips handling the audio/usb/ethernet ports on the back. The writing was on the wall after the winmodem plague came and went.

Tackling the monopoly problem

Posted Feb 4, 2021 8:20 UTC (Thu) by norphonic (guest, #93563) [Link]

Doctorow has been around long enough to have been demonstrated wrong about a number of his blanket claims.

Ask him how it's going with paywalls.


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