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Posted Nov 20, 2020 19:46 UTC (Fri) by khim (subscriber, #9252)In reply to: Security quote of the week by RogerOdle
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> Why do you think that government fact checkers would be honest?
Who said I assume that? I don't. But at least government fact checkers would be visible. And known.
Let me state two facts… and think about these.
- Number of Trump-voters is very comparable to number of Biden voters.
- “Non-goverment fact-checkers” overwhelmingly censor Trump side and don't censor the other side.
These are just facts. But they have very deep implications. This state of affairs, ultimately, means that US government doesn't govern.
If it couldn't ensure that voice of half of the country would be heard as loudly as voice of the other half then what's the point of the whole famed First Amendment or anything else?
Someone else, and not the official goverment decides what is possible to say and what's impossible to say, what would happen in that country and what wouldn't… and we don't even know who that is.
If having the fact-checkers is inevitable (and it looks like we don't really have a choice: fact-checkers are already everywhere and they act as if they have the right to censor everyone including POTUS and other people) then I very much prefer visible and known ones to invisible and unknown ones.
Just please don't start on Biden being “obviously right” and Trump being “obviously wrong”. “Obviously wrong” guys don't get 40%+ of votes.
Posted Nov 20, 2020 19:59 UTC (Fri)
by pizza (subscriber, #46)
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The definition of "obviously right/wrong" can and does shift over time.
(And when "the other side" tries to claim that their freedoms are so absolute that they get to unilaterally risk the life of others, they are *obviously wrong* The USA's staggering COVID case loads and death rate speaks for itself)
Posted Nov 20, 2020 20:04 UTC (Fri)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Nov 20, 2020 21:13 UTC (Fri)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Even if that's true — this doesn't change anything. Even if all courts (which haven't found anything worthy of impeachment) where bought and all Trump supporters were mislead… this doesn't change the fact that Facebook and Twitter are acting as government and decide who have the right to speak and doesn't.
Twits “I have won” were almost identical on both sides. Trump's was censored. Biden's wasn't. End of story.
Posted Nov 20, 2020 22:35 UTC (Fri)
by pizza (subscriber, #46)
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Impeachment happens in Congress, not the courts. And, I might add, Congress _did_ pass articles of impeachment. So, um, you are incorrect.
> This doesn't change the fact that Facebook and Twitter are acting as government and decide who have the right to speak and doesn't.
Nope. Twitter, Facebook are treated the same as LWN and my personal web sites -- site owners & operators are under no obligation to allow anyone to use their platforms to publish whatever they'd like. Freedom of association also means freedom to *not* associate.
> Twits “I have won” were almost identical on both sides. Trump's was censored. Biden's wasn't. End of story.
You are incorrect. Twitter has not taken down (ie "censored") anything Trump has said with regards to elections or their outcome.
Posted Nov 20, 2020 22:56 UTC (Fri)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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It has annotated them with notes that they are disputed, which is... ah... a generous interpretation of the facts (almost all of them are outright *wrong*, though I'm not sure one could call them lies: one can only lie if one can distinguish between truth and falsity. They are, however, bullshit, under Harry Frankfurt's definition of the term.)
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You assume that both sides lie at the same rate. And this is simply not true.
> You assume that both sides lie at the same rate. And this is simply not true.
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