Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 13, 2020 22:20 UTC (Fri) by MatejLach (guest, #84942)
In reply to: Systemd catches up with bind events by willy
Parent article: Systemd catches up with bind events

In this case it seems to be the kernel not playing well with others. Or rather not adhering to its own rules.

Which is precisely the point, cooperation rather than pointing the fingers would help here.

systemd has proven itself useful enough where it should be consulted by kernel developers and vice versa.

Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 14, 2020 0:49 UTC (Sat) by gerdesj (subscriber, #5446) [Link] (4 responses)

It doesn't matter who is right or wrong. As my parents used to say "six of one and half a dozen of the other".

The kernel by definition is used on all Linux boxes and systemd is probably by now the most widely used init system at least on systems that the sysadmin/user actually cares what is happening.

systemd has become the de-facto Linux init system or PID1 or whatever the hell you want to call it. I still recall coming across M van S's comments in init scripts for the first time rather a long time ago and suddenly feeling that a real person actually cared about me and my little system. I "got" open source about then - I kept on finding notes in man pages and readme files and so on that indicated I was dealing with people who give a shit. Every now and then I still find something to make me smile in a readme or a help menu. I don't get that feeling when I'm fiddling with Windows or Macs. Linux is properly corporate these days and quite rightly so - we've grown up but it is still nice to see a human touch sometimes.

Please remember why we do this stuff.

Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 21, 2020 6:59 UTC (Sat) by ras (subscriber, #33059) [Link] (1 responses)

> systemd has become the de-facto Linux init system or PID1 or whatever the hell you want to call it.

Only for the desktop distro's. It's too heavyweight for the smaller ones like Apline, OpenWRT or Android, containers like Docker don't use an init system at all. And that could well cover the bulk of deployed Linux instances.

Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 21, 2020 12:32 UTC (Sat) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> Only for the desktop distro's. It's too heavyweight for the smaller ones like Apline, OpenWRT or Android, containers like Docker don't use an init system at all.

The vast majority of Linux distros including RHEL, SLES, Debian etc (not just the desktop ones) use systemd by default. Docker containers are not comparable to distros but some of them do run a init system and it is popular enough that several distros include a systemd-container package specifically for this purpose and systemd is not limited to a init system, so other parts gets routinely used in containers as well.

Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 23, 2020 13:29 UTC (Mon) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (1 responses)

> Please remember why we do this stuff.

It's hard to tell corporate types to remember FOSS had a human element when they came from outside that culture entirely, their salary depends on gentrifying it out of existence, and in their off-time their hobby is talking over everyone to proclaim “Well Actually everyone uses our software because our software is great because everyone uses it”.

Most of the interesting people seem to be using BSD these days.

Systemd catches up with bind events

Posted Nov 23, 2020 16:18 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

Most of the interesting people seem to be using BSD these days.

It used to be that using Linux was the way to stand out from the crowd, to be nerdy and interesting and metaphorically show the finger to those stodgy Windows and Mac users.

Now Linux has been mainstream for a while and is no longer good for nerd cred. People's elderly relations can (and do) use it. This means that the people who were using Linux 20+ years ago, when it meant not being able to do certain things (that when pointed out, one would adamantly insist weren't worth doing, anyway), spending three days to get a new video card/monitor working, etc., are being forced into BSD if they still want to impress their peers. But that's not because of BSD's versatility, wide compatibility with popular hardware and peripherals, and technical excellence – it's because few other people want to use it. It's the IT equivalent of an Indian fakir's bed of nails; very comfortable and just the thing if you're a fakir, but an item of morbid fascination for others.