It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 5, 2020 16:53 UTC (Sat) by bellminator (subscriber, #103702)
In reply to: It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go by HelloWorld
Parent article: Fuzzing in Go

Hi, Please take into consideration that this is just hurtful to anyone who programs/programmed in Go or BASIC. I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by telling people that using certain programming languages mentally mutilates them, other than scaring them away from computer science/programming all together.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 5, 2020 22:43 UTC (Sat) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (7 responses)

> Hi, Please take into consideration that this is just hurtful to anyone who programs/programmed in Go or BASIC.
So what? When Darwin discovered that humans are descended from apes, that was hurtful to plenty of people, and in fact it still is. That doesn't mean he shouldn't have published his discovery. This idea that one mustn't utter opinions that might conceivably hurt someone's feelings is a disease that needs to go away sooner rather than later. Or, to put it more succinctly: https://youtu.be/PAqxWa9Rbe0
(The fact that that movie was banned from a major streaming service because some snowflake felt offended adds a nice ironic touch).

> I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish by telling people that using certain programming languages mentally mutilates them, other than scaring them away from computer science/programming all together.

That's like saying that I mustn't say that I hate celery because that might scare somebody away from cooking.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 5, 2020 23:27 UTC (Sat) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] (6 responses)

"Learning BASIC as your entry point to programming teaches you bad habits which make it harder to internalize the principles of good programming later in life" is a civilized and accurate statement of the situation.

Describing it in terms of "mental mutilation" and "impossibility" is neither civilized nor accurate, and thus fails the "rude or wrong, pick at most one and ideally neither" test.

Saying you hate celery is not an equivalent case, because (a) hating celery is a de gustibus matter anyway and (b) just saying you hate celery isn't going to scare people off cooking unless you go off on an unprompted rant about how celery is the most disgusting thing on earth and anyone who cooks with it is clearly so deranged that they cannot possibly learn to prepare tasty food.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 6, 2020 0:13 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

I actually think that's true about celery.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 6, 2020 0:49 UTC (Sun) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] (1 responses)

I know people who think all of coriander leaves, walnuts, cooked mushrooms, and celery are fine and pleasant comestibles. (I think at least some of them even like mayonnaise and absinthe!)

I've eaten their cooking.

It was delicious.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 6, 2020 2:07 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

Apparently hyperbole isn't the only thing you're bad at detecting.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 6, 2020 0:30 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

More to the point though: as I've pointed out several times now, Dijkstra's statement about mental mutilation through BASIC is obviously hyperbolic. If that offends you – tough cookies, because I'm not going to censor my opinions because of some snowflake's feelings.

It's not a coincidence that Fuzzing is added to Go

Posted Sep 6, 2020 4:50 UTC (Sun) by flussence (guest, #85566) [Link] (1 responses)

>I'm not going to censor my opinions because of some snowflake's feelings.

It is my opinion that you should be at least smart enough to read the room before posting here, and smart enough to show yourself out when people start laughing at your bad takes instead of trashing the place in a slur-slinging tantrum.

Do you have an alternate venue already prepared to continue spewing your feelings for when you inevitably lose access to this one? Work on that if you're too fragile to work on yourself.

Enough

Posted Sep 7, 2020 0:47 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link]

This seems like a good place for this thread to stop, thanks.