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Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 12:09 UTC (Wed) by tsdgeos (guest, #69685)
In reply to: Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla? by jch
Parent article: Baker: Changing World, Changing Mozilla

Ok, let me rephrase the question, are you saying that a developer working for a Free Software company should be making less money that the same developer working for a non Free Software company?


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Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 13:42 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (9 responses)

> Ok, let me rephrase the question, are you saying that a developer working for a Free Software company should be making less money that the same developer working for a non Free Software company?

Setting aside that the topic was CEO salaries and not developers, it is typically the case that non-profit salaries are lower than corporate salaries and it is possible, even likely the case that free software developers on an average get less than proprietary software developers assuming margins for free software products are lower

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 14:12 UTC (Wed) by tsdgeos (guest, #69685) [Link] (8 responses)

I am not say "how the world is", i'm saying "how the world should be".

I don't disagree that NGO and Free Software companies usually pay less.

What i am saying is that they should not pay less.

As the Free Software community we should reject that people are just paid less because they are doing "what they like", otherwise we're simply punishing them for liking the common good.

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 14:53 UTC (Wed) by clump (subscriber, #27801) [Link] (4 responses)

Non-profit status is important here. You can be employed by a big, for-profit organization and still work on Free Software. We would expect to be paid commensurate with our work regardless of the license at such places.

What about the salaries of others besides the CEO at Mozilla? I don't know what people make inside of Mozilla but should Free Software developers at non-profits be paid less (or even be laid off) while the CEO (and perhaps other executives) should be paid more? Executive salary at Mozilla is very relevant when others are losing their jobs.

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 17:47 UTC (Wed) by bracher (subscriber, #4039) [Link] (1 responses)

Keep in mind that non-profit status also means that there is no hope of equity compensation, so salary will likely adjust up to account for that. Rings true based on conversations with a few friends who have worked for Mozilla in technical roles, they were paid more than they would have been at a for-profit tech company because compensation at the for-profit would have included stock options or grants.

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 23:00 UTC (Wed) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link]

That differs from my knowledge. The developers I knew at Mozilla who quit and went to work at the well-known Bay Area big tech companies made a lot more after the move, even just looking at cash.

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 14, 2020 7:40 UTC (Fri) by liam (guest, #84133) [Link] (1 responses)

Page 8, https://lwn.net/Articles/828581/

Looks like the next highest is $295 000.

However, CEO's base salary is $450 000 (page 52). The other $2 000 000 is under bonus and incentive compensation. It's the latter one that might be questionable.

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Sep 10, 2020 12:30 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I'll say. Why on earth get millions in bonuses and incentives while your browser's market share is plunging? Bonuses for what? Failure?

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 12, 2020 23:23 UTC (Wed) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

> What i am saying is that they should not pay less.

That position could potentially be satisfied with executives like these in general getting paid less than they are right now. You could tie that as a proportion of the average pay in the organization for instance across the industry

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 13, 2020 7:49 UTC (Thu) by ale2018 (guest, #128727) [Link]

> I am not say "how the world is", i'm saying "how the world should be".

Until we measure success by salary amount, we're not "how the world should be".

Should Mitchell Baker give most of 1 billion back to Mozilla?

Posted Aug 13, 2020 12:58 UTC (Thu) by anton (subscriber, #25547) [Link]

I am not say "how the world is", i'm saying "how the world should be".
In the world, as it should be, CEOs are not paid more than five times the lowest wage in their company.


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