Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 4, 2020 21:13 UTC (Thu) by jiiksteri (subscriber, #75247)
In reply to: Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released by ldearquer
Parent article: Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

> Especially when building small embedded systems, it is really nice to have available alternatives which follow the "Do one thing..." approach

I wonder how relevant the "small embedded systems" argument is these days, as the small embedded systems keep getting more and more powerful. And if you're really resource-constrained, you're likely better off with something that's neither systemd nor SysV init?

A more worrying scenario might be one where _applications_ start depending on systemd socket activation or somesuch, as that actually starts limiting your options.

Personally I don't really care which init system of the day gets thrown at me as my needs are simple enough to manage. But I don't really understand why anyone would act like the Devuan work is worthless or taking something away from them. Clearly it's worth the effort for someone, and everyone else gets to observe the experiment. How is that bad?

Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 5, 2020 7:37 UTC (Fri) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

> I wonder how relevant the "small embedded systems" argument is these days, as the small embedded systems keep getting more and more powerful. And if you're really resource-constrained, you're likely better off with something that's neither systemd nor SysV init?
Exactly, see for instance
https://openwrt.org/docs/techref/procd

> A more worrying scenario might be one where _applications_ start depending on systemd socket activation or somesuch, as that actually starts limiting your options.
Yeah, so maybe the Devuan developers should support systemd-compatible socket activation. Needless to say, they don't.

Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 6, 2020 15:35 UTC (Sat) by ldearquer (guest, #137451) [Link] (2 responses)

> I wonder how relevant the "small embedded systems" argument is these days, as the small embedded systems keep getting more and more powerful.

It is not only about how powerful the system is, but about keeping the system as simple as possible for maintenance and auditing. For a serial login, ssh on a static ip, syslog and a custom service or two, we tend to use busybox init or a custom bash script to using something bigger. All I was saying is, under this approach, it is nice to have "do one thing" tools.

> And if you're really resource-constrained, you're likely better off with something that's neither systemd nor SysV init?

But I never said it has to be SysV ;)

Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 6, 2020 20:06 UTC (Sat) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (1 responses)

Did you just mention busybox and “do one thing” in the same paragraph?

Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 6, 2020 21:29 UTC (Sat) by ldearquer (guest, #137451) [Link]

Did I? Must have been a typo...