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Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

Posted Jun 3, 2020 19:38 UTC (Wed) by pizza (subscriber, #46)
In reply to: Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released by jmclnx
Parent article: Devuan Beowulf 3.0.0 released

> At one time Linux was used by people to "scratch an itch", and that was encouraged. Now many people seem to say "get on the systemd highway or you work is worthless".

Of course, they are free to work on whatever they want. Good for them.

But. Given Devuan's entire raison d'etre is that "Systemd (and its progenitor) is not only worthless, but so incredibly awful that we can't even allow libsystemd to pollute our filesystems" (I'm paraphrasing; this is typically expressed with far more derogative vehemence) they are in no position to complain about how their own work is perceived. The public record is replete with examples.

Demanding respect from the very folks they're _still_ crapping all over is not likely to accomplish much, especially when one considers the sheer magnitude of effort expended versus what they have to show for it. Which, truth be told, isn't actually all that much. [1]

To that end, most of their work has been cleaning up their own messes, instead of actually maintaining the various bitrotten pre-systemd codebases (eg consolekit) whose general awfulness was a big part of why systemd was so widely adopted so quickly. Maintenance and testing is hard and unglamorous work, and could have _easily_ been accomplished under the existing Debian aegis, without all that fire and brimstone.

[1] Seriously, this is like someone bragging about digging a ditch using hand trowel instead of a shovel, because they don't like one of the people who helped make the shovel. Sure, it's an accomplishment of a sort, but not exactly one that tends to engender respect given that ditch diggers are paid by the cubic foot.


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