Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Posted Apr 22, 2020 14:18 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)In reply to: Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality by scientes
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Nevermind that there are use cases where I may have access to a machine, but not ownership. I'd like to know that lending my laptop won't result in a rootkit. Schools want to provide laptops to students without them being allowed to replace the OS. Employers, etc. Yes, companies can also use it with respect to their customers. Complain about those instances, not the tool because those companies don't care about the tool as much as the end result.
Posted Apr 23, 2020 5:25 UTC (Thu)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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Posted Apr 23, 2020 6:27 UTC (Thu)
by diconico07 (guest, #117416)
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Posted Apr 23, 2020 7:56 UTC (Thu)
by LtWorf (subscriber, #124958)
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It can be tampered with, they need to assume they cannot trust anything that connects to their network instead.
Posted Apr 23, 2020 12:59 UTC (Thu)
by excors (subscriber, #95769)
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It's impractical to never trust anything, so I assume you mean "don't trust anything simply because it's connected to the private network - use some kind of 2FA to verify a legitimate user is there before trusting it (and then still only trust it to the extent necessary for the user to do their job)". But a legitimate user could sign in with 2FA on a computer that's riddled with malware, which subsequently steals data from the private network or sends malicious data into the network. Even if they don't sign in, the malware could steal sensitive information that's cached locally (e.g. emails discussing confidential matters). That's not good enough protection.
Most students and many employees are likely to willingly install dodgy software on the computers provided to them, and all will be vulnerable to targeted phishing attacks, so you can't rely on the user to avoid malware. If someone with expertise and accountability, like the company's IT department, can verify the computers are running the clean software they were originally provided with and have not been tampered with, then that's a significant extra layer of protection. And that requires technical features to either prevent or detect tampering, like this kernel lockdown stuff. (And of course they should still do 2FA and least privilege too.)
Posted Jul 13, 2020 13:43 UTC (Mon)
by immibis (subscriber, #105511)
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Posted Apr 23, 2020 18:08 UTC (Thu)
by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784)
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I, on the other hand, don't want the ability to replace the OS on that laptop.
Posted Apr 24, 2020 6:08 UTC (Fri)
by LtWorf (subscriber, #124958)
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You can have the ability. You don't necessarily have to take advantage of that ability.
Posted Apr 24, 2020 10:46 UTC (Fri)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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As also mentioned elsewhere, I look after elderly relatives. I would *LOVE* to be able to lock down their systems and remove all these fancy "ease of use" features. Hell, *I* regularly invoke these damn features without realising it, and undoing a massive change that you did by mistake because you hit a key that you didn't even *know* did something fancy ...
The mere *ability* to do something is a massive liability when you are dealing with folks who don't understand computers (or on the other hand understand them far too well...).
Cheers,
Posted Apr 25, 2020 0:04 UTC (Sat)
by sjj (guest, #2020)
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Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
There is also the fact that to trust your own laptop with the OS you put there, you have to be sure no one tampered with it (while you were away for example).
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality
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Garrett: Linux kernel lockdown, integrity, and confidentiality