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Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Posted Nov 15, 2019 16:27 UTC (Fri) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359)
Parent article: Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

This is very misrepresented.

1. elogind is not new, it’s been there since before buster *and* is included in the buster release, but the other packages that had a hard dependency on it need to adjust their Depends. (I’ve done this successfully on a buster system by editing two lines in /var/lib/dpkg/status to the effect that even network-manager works.) It’s been usable as-is for some time already, just the “can substitute for systemd” part is new (and almost solved in unstable for a while).

2. “merging” is completely the wrong phrasing. elogind is an alternative, and it must be installed by hand and does not affect the default systemd configuration.

This directly bleeds over into…

3. Md is telling nonsense as usual: the new installations use systemd *because* there are dependencies on it from certain packages many people install. People did not have the *option* to use elogind without going through extreme hoops until very recently in unstable (and even then, switching is… interesting). So the statistics are utterly skewed.


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Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Posted Nov 15, 2019 17:25 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (2 responses)

Umm, "nonsense as usual" is an ad-hominem that has no place here (or anywhere else really) IMHO.

Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Posted Nov 15, 2019 21:58 UTC (Fri) by mirabilos (subscriber, #84359) [Link] (1 responses)

Since you chose that to comment on, you must agree with the rest I wrote. Thank you!

And hmm yes, that was, in reflection, badly worded. Sorry about that.

Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Posted Nov 16, 2019 7:12 UTC (Sat) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

No, silence is not always consent. It can also be "this is not worth commenting on".

Debian reconsiders init-system diversity

Posted Nov 17, 2019 12:45 UTC (Sun) by lobachevsky (subscriber, #121871) [Link]

"almost solved" and switching is "interesting" from one of the most senior Debian developers is not inspiring too much confidence. Maybe most users are not too interested and most sysadmins not interested in supporting such a setup, I know I wouldn't be, whereas I would be greatly helped if more tools of the systemd suite (tmpfiles.d, sysusers.d, presets, ...) would be used (or shipped in the first place, looking at systemd-firstboot) in Debian.


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