Fedora 31 looks awesome at first, but then

Posted Oct 31, 2019 8:37 UTC (Thu) by jccleaver (guest, #127418)
In reply to: Fedora 31 looks awesome at first, but then by tuna
Parent article: Fedora 31 is here

> Yes, Debian users benefits from all the testing and fixing done in faster moving distros like Fedora.

I'd say RHEL users benefit from all the testing and fixing done in faster moving distros like Fedora too, except that's clearly not been the case for RHEL 8, as the split into multiple channels is a giant headache for the broader EL community, and Fedora's version of Modularity is so flat out broken that little from it can be carried over forward.

SCLs were a perfectly good solution to this issue, as evidenced by the fact that there's still demand for them. Fedora's push for a higher order abstraction in service of its Desktop user base brought us all sorts of packaging second-system-effect-victims. It's a nightmare, and I'm not sure forking, hardening, and releasing RHEL8 in the midst of all of this was a great idea because now we're stuck with half-brained solutions for a full generation.

Fedora 31 looks awesome at first, but then

Posted Oct 31, 2019 12:30 UTC (Thu) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

I was thinking upstart and RHEL6 myself...

Fedora 31 looks awesome at first, but then

Posted Nov 5, 2019 2:37 UTC (Tue) by AdamW (subscriber, #48457) [Link]

You're badly misreading this whole process.

Modularity is not something Fedora invented that RHEL was somehow forced to adopt; it's something that emerged partly from a long thread of Fedora development/conceptualization but *also* from a bunch of requirements that RHEL came up with. Quite a lot of the attributes of modularity are primarily of use to RHEL, not Fedora. And the current version of modularity went into Fedora in a tearing hurry mainly *because RH very badly wanted to include it in RHEL 8* for various reasons.

Contrary to your suggestion that "Fedora's version of Modularity is so flat out broken that little from it can be carried over forward", just about everything about the actual technical implementation of modularity is pretty much identical between Fedora and RHEL at present.

Modularity also has nothing to do with being a "higher order abstraction in service of its Desktop user base". Nothing to do with the "Desktop" is currently modularized or, AFAIK, planned to be. The desktop team is rather more interested in the Silverblue + Flatpak model.