Richard Stallman resigns from the FSF

Posted Sep 18, 2019 14:34 UTC (Wed) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389)
In reply to: Richard Stallman resigns from the FSF by nilsmeyer
Parent article: Richard Stallman resigns from the FSF

> I think "creepy" is often just code for "unattractive man".

From those I've talked to, it's usually actually behavior-defined. I've seen attractive men be called creepy too. Social norms may pressure "unattractive" men to exhibit creepy behavior more often, but that's a problem to be solved on a different level.

> Let's say you get someone who is transgender or non-binary. That also rubs a lot of people the wrong way

Maybe so, but that's getting worked up over something someone *is* (like race or gender). Getting worked up over someone's behavior is different because that is something that can change (though there may be psychological reasons it can't, but that then ends up being something closer to the former class).

Richard Stallman resigns from the FSF

Posted Sep 18, 2019 18:33 UTC (Wed) by nilsmeyer (guest, #122604) [Link]

> From those I've talked to, it's usually actually behavior-defined. I've seen attractive men be called creepy too.

Or perhaps that is a justification not to deal with their own biases of what they find attractive or not? When it comes to that the brain is pretty much on auto-pilot, justification is filled in later. Most people aren't honest about this.

> Maybe so, but that's getting worked up over something someone *is* (like race or gender).

That's why I left race and sex out of it ;) You can change your behaviour to conform with a certain gender expression. This saves other people some discomfort at the expense of your own comfort. There is a trade-off here somewhere.