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Business models and open source

Business models and open source

Posted Apr 18, 2019 9:41 UTC (Thu) by tchernobog (guest, #73595)
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> "I suggest that it is only an open-source business model if the customer ends up with software freedom"

Wasn't this what Stallman foresaw when he said that the terms "Open Source" and "Free / Libre Software" really have a different connotation, and we should pay attention not to mix things together? Recall the old diatribe with Eric Raymond?

Maybe we should stop for a moment and think about all the times some of us were dismissive of the distinction, and decided to forego explaining that distinction to others considering it immaterial.

I am not surprised business staff hear "open-source" (like any other current buzzword, say "blockchain") and they get dollar eyes without really understanding why the people of the community might feel betrayed by their soulless marketing spiel.


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Business models and open source

Posted Apr 18, 2019 12:09 UTC (Thu) by IanKelling (subscriber, #89418) [Link] (2 responses)

It's not just connotation. There a billion or so computers running open source android that is not free software.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-poi...

> Second, and more important in practice, many products containing computers check signatures on their executable programs to block users from installing different executables; only one privileged company can make executables that can run in the device or can access its full capabilities. We call these devices “tyrants”, and the practice is called “tivoization” after the product (Tivo) where we first saw it. Even if the executable is made from free source code, the users cannot run modified versions of it, so the executable is nonfree.

> The criteria for open source do not recognize this issue; they are concerned solely with the licensing of the source code. Thus, these unmodifiable executables, when made from source code such as Linux that is open source and free, are open source but not free. Many Android products contain nonfree tivoized executables of Linux.

Business models and open source

Posted Apr 18, 2019 12:14 UTC (Thu) by IanKelling (subscriber, #89418) [Link] (1 responses)

And I shouldn't have said open source android since almost all shipping versions of android except replicant include completely proprietary software by everyone's definition.

Business models and open source

Posted Apr 23, 2019 8:36 UTC (Tue) by mjthayer (guest, #39183) [Link]

> And I shouldn't have said open source android since almost all shipping versions of android except replicant include completely proprietary software by everyone's definition.

It seems to me that Android also contains a lot of software which is free by common definitions. To my mind (perhaps I am prejudiced, I work on VirtualBox), having software projects which mix free and non-free software is better than not having projects containing free software, and if the non-free parts make it financially feasible to create the free parts which would otherwise not have been created that seems acceptable to me. Perhaps it would have been possible to make it work without the non-free parts, but if the people involved did not know how that does not really help. Perhaps the partially free software prevented something fully free from being created because it was good enough. I doubt that is often the case but can't prove it.

I suppose in the end whether a free and non-free mix is better than nothing at all will depend on the point of view of the person deciding. I like free software, but I don't see it as a moral goal in itself, though I do see it as a potentially useful tool for achieving other moral goals. Other people may (and probably do) disagree.

Business models and open source

Posted Apr 18, 2019 18:40 UTC (Thu) by szoth (guest, #14825) [Link]

"As O’Reilly put it in 2010, 'the art of promoting openness is not to make it a moral crusade, but rather to highlight the competitive advantages of openness.' Replace 'openness' with any other loaded term—say 'human rights'—in this sentence, and it becomes clear that this quest for 'openness' was politically toothless from the very outset."

-- Evgeny Morozov
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