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Posted Mar 6, 2019 0:34 UTC (Wed) by Garak (guest, #99377)In reply to: censorship by Cyberax
Parent article: Rosenzweig: The federation fallacy
> fewer third parties that get veto power over your Free Speech.It is certainly true that Free Speech, and Freedom more generally are often used in the service of double plus ungoodness. Such is the price we all pay to enjoy their benefits. But I'll take that tradeoff any day of my life.
TLDR; version - it'll be slightly less convenient to spew neo-Nazi or far-right propaganda.
When somebody starts moaning about the freedom of speech it's always that.
Posted Mar 6, 2019 5:49 UTC (Wed)
by Cyberax (✭ supporter ✭, #52523)
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Posted Mar 7, 2019 3:08 UTC (Thu)
by Garak (guest, #99377)
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Posted Mar 6, 2019 16:28 UTC (Wed)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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That's your choice, but you don't have the *right* to *force* that trade-off on to me.
"fast, cheap, good. Pick any two ..." There's a whole bunch of things people desire that fall in to this category - choosing one inevitably means you lose another. Just because YOU value freedom of speech above other things, doesn't mean I do.
And, quite frankly, it seems to me all too often that "freedom of speech" is equivalent to "forcing your views down my throat". The American constitutional right "to pursue happiness" all too often means *REDUCING* the total happiness (happiness is not zero-sum...). There's plenty more I could come up with if I thought about it ... :-)
A lot of non-USians see the US as a greedy self-centred bully, and that sort of attitude re-inforces that view. Yes we may not have been any better in our heyday, but I hope some of us have learnt. I'm not sure, though, given the Little England mentality of "let's put the 'Great' back in to Great Britain".
Cheers,
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