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Posted Jan 13, 2019 12:43 UTC (Sun) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
In reply to: Approaching the kernel year-2038 end game by madscientist
Parent article: Approaching the kernel year-2038 end game

Birmingham's New Street is recorded at least as far back as the 13th Century. At some point presumably not very long before that it genuinely was a new street. In the 19th century expanding railway traffic caused the train companies to construct a major station next to it, at the time with a huge glass roof. Today "Birmingham New Street" station isn't even on New Street per se, the station and adjunct shopping centre having been rebuilt and sprawled over a larger area - but from pretty much anywhere in the UK if you say "New Street" you will be understood to mean that railway station as distinct from other streets that are new just as if you say "Waterloo" you will be understood to mean the railway station in London once named "Waterloo Bridge Station" and not the place in Belgium.

It would be better to have named it SO_TIMESTAMP_64, but ultimately symbols aren't themselves meanings, they're just symbols, and a few examples like this help to make that abundantly clear.

However, good news, if somebody gives something a name you don't like, you can just attach a different name (doing this to people is rude, but it will work). If yours is much more popular soon nobody will remember the "proper name" at all, and it will be regarded as a mistake if used. In principle as well as a bridge named after the battle of Waterloo, and one still named after the original city itself ("London Bridge") London also has one named for William Pitt (Pitt the Younger). But despite signs nobody called it "William Pitt Bridge", they called it "Blackfriars Bridge", soon the maps followed suit and today only historians or bridge nerds will have any idea where William Pitt Bridge even is. Start campaigning for SO_TIMESTAMP_64 today!


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Posted Jan 14, 2019 10:27 UTC (Mon) by Guhvanoh (subscriber, #4449) [Link] (7 responses)

And while you're on the subject of railway stations shouldn't London Bridge be known as London London Bridge just like London Waterloo, London Victoria, London Cannon Street etc. ?

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Posted Jan 14, 2019 18:40 UTC (Mon) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] (6 responses)

Apart from Victoria (which needs to be disambiguated from the ones in Manchester and Southend) and Cannon Street (which needs to be disambiguated from the one in Hull), hardly anyone outside the travel industry or London local government bothers with the 'London' bit when referring to the London terminals that are not London Bridge :)

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Posted Jan 14, 2019 20:00 UTC (Mon) by brother_rat (subscriber, #1895) [Link]

As we're already way off topic... there's also 'Gatwick' which is GTW by train and LGW by plane.

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Posted Jan 14, 2019 20:49 UTC (Mon) by BlueLightning (subscriber, #38978) [Link] (4 responses)

I think one reason the rail companies use the "London" prefix (or at least did, when I lived in London a few years ago) is so that when you have a "Not via London" rail ticket it's more obvious that you're not allowed to pass through those stations.

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Posted Jan 24, 2019 2:08 UTC (Thu) by Wol (subscriber, #4433) [Link] (3 responses)

That was back in the days when the Overground came into the London termini, and you had to use the Underground to traverse Central London. Now with travel cards and zones and Thameslink, and the soon-to-open Crossrail, I don't think you get "not via London" any more.

Cheers,
Wol

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Posted Jan 24, 2019 18:51 UTC (Thu) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link] (2 responses)

> I don't think you get "not via London" any more.

To take an example relevant to myself, journeys between Northampton and the South Coast are still about 20-25% cheaper when made with a ticket that requires one to travel via the West London Line through Kensington Olympia rather than permitting interchange in central London.

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Posted Jan 24, 2019 19:31 UTC (Thu) by TomH (subscriber, #56149) [Link] (1 responses)

Sure, but as http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=NMP&dest=BTN will show you that is because there are tickets routed "ANY PERMITTED" and cheaper tickets routed "KEN OLYMPIA" rather than having some with a "NOT LONDON" restriction.

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Posted Jan 24, 2019 19:36 UTC (Thu) by TomH (subscriber, #56149) [Link]

That said you can get NOT VIA LONDON if you look at Bristol to York for example: http://www.brfares.com/#!fares?orig=BPW&dest=YRK

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Posted Jan 17, 2019 18:36 UTC (Thu) by thyrsus (guest, #21004) [Link] (3 responses)

I've always enjoyed this: "Ironically, the New River is considered by some geologists to be one of the oldest rivers in the world.[11]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_River_%28Kanawha_River_...

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Posted Jan 18, 2019 9:41 UTC (Fri) by rschroev (subscriber, #4164) [Link] (2 responses)

Like how the Pont Neuf (New Bridge) in Paris is actually the oldest bridge in the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pont_Neuf

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Posted Jan 18, 2019 15:34 UTC (Fri) by tao (subscriber, #17563) [Link]

At least New York is a lot more recent than York, and New Orleans is a lot more recent than Orléans.

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Posted Oct 7, 2023 17:59 UTC (Sat) by ceplm (subscriber, #41334) [Link]

You mean like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_New_Synagogue in Prague, which is the oldest active synagogue in Europe?

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Posted Feb 5, 2019 19:12 UTC (Tue) by eythian (subscriber, #86862) [Link] (1 responses)

Amsterdam has solved this with Nieuwe Nieuwstraat.

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Posted Feb 28, 2019 14:26 UTC (Thu) by remi.chateauneu (subscriber, #51826) [Link]

Cartagena in Spain: "Possessing one of the best harbors in the Western Mediterranean, it was re-founded by the Carthaginian general Hasdrubal in 228 BC as Qart Hadasht ("New City"), a name identical to Carthage, for the purpose of serving as a stepping-off point for the conquest of Spain. The Roman general Scipio Africanus conquered it in 209 BC and renamed it as Carthago Nova (literally "New New City") to distinguish it from the mother city."


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