The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 26, 2018 23:29 UTC (Wed) by psymin (guest, #127492)
In reply to: The kernel's code of conduct, one week later by agrover
Parent article: The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

You don't believe that sage sharp wants this man ejected?

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 26, 2018 23:54 UTC (Wed) by raof (subscriber, #57409) [Link] (6 responses)

This seems to becoming a classical pattern in people arguing against a CoC: they ignoring the actual content of what people are saying and instead substitute their own cataclysmic assumptions about people mean.

What Sage Sharp has said is that having someone who has given the impression by his words and arguments that he's unlikely to be sympathetic to a report by a woman suffering sexual harassment on the board that adjudicates complaints is likely to result in women being hesitant to report sexual harassment to the board. Particularly since there's currently no mechanism for sending a report to anyone but the whole board.

This doesn't seem to be a particularly unreasonable claim, and seems a perfectly sensible thing to point out as being a problem.

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 27, 2018 0:05 UTC (Thu) by agrover (guest, #55381) [Link]

Well said.

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 27, 2018 0:07 UTC (Thu) by psymin (guest, #127492) [Link]

My apologies. And on the other concerns?

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 27, 2018 9:24 UTC (Thu) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (3 responses)

having someone who has given the impression by his words and arguments that he's unlikely to be sympathetic to a report by a woman suffering sexual harassment on the board that adjudicates complaints

AFAIK Ted Ts'o has expressed doubts about the statistics and methodology in some studies put forward in a discussion about rape incidence. How that implies that “he's unlikely to be sympathetic to a report by a woman suffering sexual harassment” is unclear to me. It's not as if empathy towards specific individuals and reasonable skepticism about statistics in scientific papers were mutually exclusive. Both are to be encouraged. And it is never wrong to be interested in the facts.

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 27, 2018 14:38 UTC (Thu) by k8to (guest, #15413) [Link]

Understanding why this is so requires considering the context of the claims, as well as possibly reading through the dicussion that followed the claims, or the way he responded to being informed of the way these claims in this context would appear to others.

It's accurate, even if it's not initially obvious.

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 27, 2018 17:17 UTC (Thu) by johannbg (guest, #65743) [Link]

Given that I come from a small town ( 5000 people ) in which rumors and false accusation spread from thin air and more often than not those rumors and false accusation break relationship,families and scar people for life.

Why is Ted supposed to be sympathetic and why is his credibility in question if he is not the accused in the matter?

Is he not allowed by community members to do his own research,form his own opinions based on his own beliefs and perceptions on these topics as any other, or are individuals perceptions supposed to be fixed on certain topic?

Also is not the TAB supposed to be neither biased or sympathetic to either party but review the facts since they are the judge,jury and potential ( career ) executioners over the accused individual?
( in addition to any maintainer apparently "Maintainers have the right and responsibility to remove, edit, or reject comments, commits, code, wiki edits, issues, and other contributions that are not aligned to this Code of Conduct, or to ban temporarily or permanently any contributor for other behaviors that they deem inappropriate, threatening, offensive, or harmful. )

And what if the individual is falsely accused? What happens to the accusee then?

Will the deciding and enforcing party set the record straight if the accused indvidual is being publicly
executed in the community or on blog post, news article etc?

The kernel's code of conduct, one week later

Posted Sep 28, 2018 7:09 UTC (Fri) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> It's not as if empathy towards specific individuals and reasonable skepticism about statistics in scientific papers were mutually exclusive. Both are to be encouraged

Yes but maybe not exert the latter *when* the former is expected?