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After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 20, 2018 14:22 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510)
In reply to: After my first attempt of ending the universe failed... by nettings
Parent article: After Years of Abusive E-mails, the Creator of Linux Steps Aside (The New Yorker)

"Having the New Yorker waltz in to explain to us what the problem with Linux or Linus"

Where did you see that?

Mainly, they quoted people. Including a number of people who I know and have a lot of respect for and who have paid their dues as Linux developers....


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After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 20, 2018 16:44 UTC (Thu) by nettings (subscriber, #429) [Link] (5 responses)

What they are doing is spinning a story according to what sells, and to what little they understand of the details.
Accusing Linus of having built a cult of personality is uninformed, rude, and plain clueless. Granted, there _is_ a cult of personality of sorts, because many people love using Linux, trust Linus' technical judgement, find his manners amusing for the most part, and are not easily offended. I'm one of those "cultists".
I still cherish the clash of civilisations between Linus and Andrew S. Tanenbaum (whose opus magnum sits on my bookshelf and is cherished as well). Even then, Linus could go ballistic in a highly entertaining way, and apologise when it was pointed out to him that he was drifting off-target.
But to suggest he _built_ a cult around himself without any proof is just an intellectual short circuit, to put it very mildly.
That's when "I don't like how the world is" equals "something sinister must be at play here".

The title of the piece is disqualifying already. "After years of abusive emails", in this time and day, alludes to all kinds of things that are really orders of magnitude worse than Linus' lack of civility. That's what I hate about PC shitstorms - all of a sudden, raping a person is the same as grooming and blackmailing teenagers is the same as wanking in the presence of others is the same as having an affair is the same as yelling at people.

How about "after years of managing a huge project by email (the first few entirely for free), and occasionally hitting a wrong note and hurting feelings, but also preventing many ill-advised kernel misfeatures"? But no, that's not going generate those clicks...

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 20, 2018 17:15 UTC (Thu) by bfields (subscriber, #19510) [Link]

I do agree on the headline.

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 23, 2018 16:39 UTC (Sun) by mathstuf (subscriber, #69389) [Link] (3 responses)

> But to suggest he _built_ a cult around himself without any proof is just an intellectual short circuit, to put it very mildly.

Food for thought: did Forrest Gump "build" a cult with the running scenes? Is ignoring one building around you acceptance of it? Did he have an obligation to those following him when he decided to go home? Maybe there were no promises made, but expectations were built up.

Linus may not have built a "cult", but others have pointed to his behavior as "see, it's OK" and he didn't do anything to say "how I operate is no excuse for how you may operate".

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 23, 2018 20:54 UTC (Sun) by nilsmeyer (guest, #122604) [Link] (2 responses)

> Linus may not have built a "cult", but others have pointed to his behavior as "see, it's OK" and he didn't do anything to say "how I operate is no excuse for how you may operate".

How could he say that without losing all credibility?

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 23, 2018 23:36 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (1 responses)

How could he say that without losing all credibility?

“Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi”?

But I agree, it's usually the leaders of a community who set the tone for everybody else. Way back when, the qmail community was really toxic and unfriendly while the Postfix community was pretty congenial, mostly because Wietse Venema is a nice guy while Dan Bernstein is right up there with Linus Torvalds in the abrasive-curmudgeonry department, and everyone else caught it from them.

After my first attempt of ending the universe failed...

Posted Sep 24, 2018 1:23 UTC (Mon) by rodgerd (guest, #58896) [Link]

Usually, but not always. Larry Wall has always seemed very pleasant, but c.l.p.m. was a horribly unfriendly place back in the 90s thanks to people like Abigail.


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