Teaching Python to kids

Posted Jul 6, 2018 23:34 UTC (Fri) by CycoJ (guest, #70454)
In reply to: Teaching Python to kids by HelloWorld
Parent article: Teaching Python to kids

>The point I was trying to make is that merely pointing out an over- or underrepresentation of some identity group in some field (e. g. overrepresentation of blacks among criminals, underrepresentation of whites among successful athletes) is not evidence for discrimination. Again, I have no idea why blacks are overrepresented among prison inmates.

Except for the significant studies that showed reduced chances of job applicants with typical "black" names vs "white" names or significant studies that showed reduced chances of female job applicants on technical or management jobs vs male applicants.
It's a bit dishonest to say "pointing out an over- or underrepresentation of some identity group in some field ... is not evidence for discrimination" while ignoring the significant evidence of discrimination that exists.

Teaching Python to kids

Posted Jul 6, 2018 23:55 UTC (Fri) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

> It's a bit dishonest to say "pointing out an over- or underrepresentation of some identity group in some field ... is not evidence for discrimination" while ignoring the significant evidence of discrimination that exists.
Neither Cyberax nor pboddie ever brought up such studies, so accusing me of dishonesty is quite inappropriate.

Teaching Python to kids

Posted Jul 8, 2018 3:26 UTC (Sun) by CycoJ (guest, #70454) [Link] (1 responses)

The studies have been posted here and elsewhere multiple times and there exist internet search engines. Yet you come here and simply state that no evidence exists, but obviously completely innocently. So here are two links, just you can not say again that there exists no evidence:

http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resu...

Teaching Python to kids

Posted Jul 8, 2018 9:36 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link]

> Yet you come here and simply state that no evidence exists
I never said that no such evidence exists, I said it hasn't been presented, and the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. I also made it clear later that I specifically meant evidence for the (significant) discrimination of women in programming, so I don't know why you even brought up race. I appreciate your attempt to provide evidence, but unfortunately it's evidence for the wrong claim.

Another interesting observation to make here is that when you articulate doubts about the discrimination narrative of women in tech, you get unfounded accusations of dishonesty. When you point out the discrimination of men in some fields (e. g. conscription), it is simply ignored. How does that fit the narrative? If the tech industry is so misogynistic, wouldn't you expect somebody to show up here and say something that's _actually sexist_, e. g. suggest that women simply aren't smart enough to go into STEM fields (which the data don't support)?