LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Posted Mar 21, 2004 18:07 UTC (Sun)
by alspnost (guest, #2763)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 22:28 UTC (Sun)
by thomask (guest, #17985)
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Anyways, I had no trouble logging in. I think the school uses an ISA-type proxy from Microsoft, but it doesn't cause any trouble for me.
Posted Mar 21, 2004 18:16 UTC (Sun)
by barbara (guest, #3014)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 18:41 UTC (Sun)
by ttonino (guest, #4073)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 19:53 UTC (Sun)
by TheOneKEA (guest, #615)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 20:58 UTC (Sun)
by simlo (guest, #10866)
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 5:42 UTC (Mon)
by mcbridematt (subscriber, #10302)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 21:51 UTC (Sun)
by james (subscriber, #1325)
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In case that needs explaining: many corporate environments have an Approved List of software that may be put on their PCs. Downloading and running programs that aren't on that list can be a serious corporate offense.
Given what some of my users have downloaded, I can see their point, with all the spyware, trojan horses, potential for copyright violations, restrictive licenses, stuff that gets around firewall limitations, and other stuff that's out there.
With the wonderfully misplaced inventiveness of some users, an Approved List and severe penalties for breaking it is a relatively easy way of keeping the problem from becoming too severe.
Unfortunately, you then get Corporate Structure involved, and at best one tends to need a "valid business reason" and your boss's signature to request that a program goes onto the Approved List. If corporate structure is too baroque, it must be tempting just to use Internet Explorer. And if the company gets infected -- well, the company asked for it.
Posted Mar 22, 2004 17:09 UTC (Mon)
by mrshiny (guest, #4266)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 19:01 UTC (Sun)
by marduk (subscriber, #3831)
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Posted Mar 21, 2004 22:57 UTC (Sun)
by adric (guest, #7180)
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 16:05 UTC (Mon)
by holstein (guest, #6122)
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Posted Mar 22, 2004 5:17 UTC (Mon)
by stephenjudd (guest, #3227)
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Another workaround we managed was to detect affected browsers through some fairly dodgy Javascript, and redirect them to a page recommending them to apply the patch.
Posted Mar 25, 2004 15:10 UTC (Thu)
by noise (guest, #2923)
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KeepAliveTimeout 60 Enjoy!
Posted Mar 22, 2004 10:20 UTC (Mon)
by karath (subscriber, #19025)
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I suspect that MSIE, when set to reject 3rd part cookies, is treating https://lwn.net as a different site to http://lwn.net regards,
Posted Mar 22, 2004 14:11 UTC (Mon)
by blayne (guest, #19468)
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When I was a corporate drone, I installed Netscape. It probably violated the company PC policy, but I didn't check. Better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Oh no. There goes Tokyo. Go go Mozilla. (No catchy tune yet for Firefox)
Posted Mar 22, 2004 18:50 UTC (Mon)
by jkirtland (guest, #6798)
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IBM has a free P3P constructor tool that takes most of the pain out of constructing a P3P policy, an otherwise baroque task. Google for IBM and P3P. Cheers
Posted Mar 22, 2004 19:21 UTC (Mon)
by jwb (guest, #15467)
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Posted Mar 25, 2004 9:36 UTC (Thu)
by dale77 (guest, #1490)
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Luckily I've found a work around. I can login fine if I use netscape 7 under linux... Dale
Posted Mar 26, 2004 14:46 UTC (Fri)
by eaversa (guest, #4929)
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More importantly, dear fellow readers, why on earth are any of you still using IE? Even if you're on Windoze, do yourself a favour and install Mozilla/Firefox or some other browser from the present century, not that primitive, insecure, obsolete browser from the last one ;-)LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Well, as it happens, I sometimes (like now) _have_ to use Internet Explorer - my school seems to think that M$ is the way forward...LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
I suggest it's time for tough love here. You're actually hurting these LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
folks by helping them with windows. There are so many superior browsers
available these days that continuing with a brain-dead browser seems
fruitless. :-)
Barbara
There are probably some that visit from work and are not allowed to install software by themselves.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Thomas
You can still use Firefox if you don't have install rights; that's what the zipped builds are for.
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
But you can't get through a MS proxy requiring you to athenticate with NTLM. Only IE and Mozilla 1.3- can do that.
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
But FireFox is based off the main Mozilla trunk - it will authenticate with ISA proxies just like Mozilla SeaMonkey can.
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Yes, but may one use Firefox in a corporate environment?
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
You're absolutely right, of course. Many businesses don't want to support their users on multiple browsers. My company is like that; they go to the extreme and don't even let us install browsers for testing our own applications; if we want to do that we need to use a virtual machine or a separate, test-only PC. So, if LWN stops working with IE I will have to stop subscribing, since I often read it at work.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Totally off topic, but it reminds me of a support call I got from an IE user a while back. She was having problems getting on the Internet. When I asked her what she used to get on the Internet she explained (like I was an idiot), "I double click on the 'e' icon on my desktop. You know, 'e' for Internet?!".LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Obviously a Tolkien-themed version... Enternet Explorer. ;-)
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
That would put a whole new dimension to the expression "Dead-tree-format"...
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
We have experienced this same issue at my workplace, which operates an online sales channel. Turning off SSL3 on the web server may help. MS have also hinted to us that changing keep-alive settings may help too.Possible server-side fix
I recently battled this same problem and found a simple workaround. Increasing the keep-alive Possible server-side fix
timeout to 60 seconds did the trick. In Apache 2.0 that's:
I recently reported this situation from my employers' laptop (I am not allowed use non-approved software). I found a slightly different resolution to the problem. I added lwn.net to the list of always allowed cookies.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Charles
While I haven't used it, Ghostzilla is designed to run off a CD. This could be a big benefit to those unfortunates who aren't allowed to install software on their work computer. Given the insecurities in IE, you're actually doing your company a favor. Ghostzilla has been discontinued because the author had a change of heart about helping people surf at work while looking like they're working, but there are still copies that are floating around freely available.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Recently had this same issue at my site, and outputting a compact P3P privacy policy header staved off the tide of complaints. The MSIE 6 "privacy" slider, as documented, should not have affected the cookies I was sending, but it sure seems to be behaving incorrectly in some situations.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
I also find that having a P3P header in every response solves a lot of MSIE user headaches.
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
OK, I admit it. I'm one of those having problems with IE. Unfortunately, Mozilla 1.5 & Firefox don't work either. This is on Win95 by the way.LWN login problems with Internet Explorer
Of course, if you are affected by this problem, you would have to wait at least a week to see this notice explaining that it is a bug in IE...
LWN login problems with Internet Explorer